AMD pc cannot be a monster.

Well, a tower can last at least 5 years while a CPU is hard to futureproof. The FX-6300 is not much slower than the fastest AMD has to offer, and it's easy to overclock. And honestly, the FX-6300 or FX-8350 works just as well as any Intel CPU in all normal home PC scenarios, the difference is marginal. The performance overhead from strong CPUs simply has no use today unless you run a server or run lots of compression tasks or something.

I'm betting on AMD releasing new high end CPUs in the future so I can upgrade. There's talk they might leave the high-end market and only do APUs and budget CPUs but I'm still hoping.

Sure there was a sense of superiority.

I'm totally into the deeper, hardcore games, from devs that are more or less independent. There's so many high quality games on PC now after Kickstarter and Steam Green Light, the market has totally exploded. I'm so happy I'm not stuck to playing all these dumbed down AAA games anymore.

I'm looking at many games from this thread and similar that have already been released:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=179761&page=1#?

Right now I'm playing Banished, a city building sim made by just one person, but still very polished, complex and awesome. Gonna play Heroes of M&M 6 soon, CIV5, Age of Wonders 3 and perhaps the new Divinity.

Diablo III, I have thought about a lot! I've been playing Titan Quest (a Diablo clone from 2006) recently and putted more than 100 hours into it already, so I really like that meditative and addictive hack'n'slash feeling.

lol

An AMD R9 290 is "easily beaten" by a 290X? Yes but the difference is less than 10%! And my Gigabyte R9 290 Windforce GPU is already factory clocked from 950Mhz to 1040Mhz so the difference to a stock AMD R9 290X would be unmeasurable.

Even the fastest Nvidia, the Geforce 780 Ti is only 10-15% faster than my AMD R9 290.
(and the reference Geforece 780 Ti at normal clocks is only 5% faster according to Tomshardware
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-and-290x,3728-5.html )

About CPU performance, do you realize that in that test you linked to they run Crysis with low settings (only in trying to demonstrate the - very little - effect a CPU has on gaming performance) and you get a "whopping" 122fps from the fastest Intel CPU compared to the "poor" 112fps from my AMD FX-6300. Is that really how you would define "can't hold a candle"?

And if you would run Crysis in normal gaming settings and let the GPU work, the difference would be even less measurable (less than 10%).

So yes, my PC is a monster, even if it's slightly slower than the biggest monster.

They can't leave the high end.
If AMD leaves the high-end, then they leave the server business.
And the server business brings in *allot* of cash, it's a very high-premium sector, one that AMD is actually still competitive in for the time being.

You see, AMD and Intel builds a high-end CPU, not for the high-end/enthusiast market, but for the server market, then it's just a case of moving the processors onto a different package and making a few changes to the memory controller at most(Sometimes they just disable ECC support) and bringing it to the Enthusiast/High-End consumer segment, it's a very low cost approach.
Intel did this with Socket 2011, they were simply just 8-core Xeons with 2 cores disabled and ECC and Multi-processor support dropped and released as high-end enthusiast gear.

AMD actually uses two octo-core FX chips fused together for the 16 core Xeons, when AMD was under pressure with it's Stars architecture AMD brought it's 6-core processor to the desktop in the form of the Phenom 2 x6.

AMD's problem right now is simply one of engineering resources... As a company compared to Intel they are incredibly tiny, they simply cannot focus on APU's, Consoles, GPU's and regular plain-jane CPU's and all their other derivatives (Like low powered versions such as Brazos/Jaguar etc').
They simply don't have the engineering to focus on every single segment.

I think what AMD intends to do is just iterate on the Bulldozer and it's derived architectures in the APU space and eventually bring it to the High-End and Server segments, even if it's not untill 2016 untill they release a successor, they will get there eventually.
You will probably require a new motherboard by then too. :P

BenVTrigger said: vivster said: BenVTrigger said: His build is very good not sure why that guy is saying its not..... A MONSTER build though would be more like mine I said it's good. And yes, your build would qualify as high end. I actually do agree with you on that CPU, I tried warning him before his build to go Intel. I really dont see any reason why someone would go AMD over Intel other than to save money. Still though his build is very good. When I think monster though i really only qualify 780ti and Titans in that range.

Even though a Gigabyte AMD R9 290 Windforce OC is actually just as fast or even faster than a Geforce Titan GPU?

This is great news! So there is hope!

I was thinking around that logic myself just from an amaetur perspective, despite all the rumors that the FX series of high end CPUs from AMD will be terminated... that somehow, sooner or later AMD should be able to derive something out of their tech and research to eventually be able to offer a fairly competitive high end CPU for the millions of loyal AMD fans.

I'd be happy to replace my mothaboard for a new socket and get a high end AMD CPU some time in 2016. That would be the perfect time (when next gen games have truly kicked in).

Well.
Don't quote me on the 2016 figure, that's just my guess.

However in the meantime, AMD has shaken up the industry with Mantle which makes the CPU less of a burden for games and because of that, Microsoft's reactionary response was to bring similar kinds of low-level improvements into Direct X 12.
So even if AMD doesn't bring new CPU's any time soon, you can rest in comfort that games will be more CPU friendly at any rate.

Poor 8350... Damn you.

You wont be able to do extreme multitasking... :P Playing Battlefield 4 while rendering a video and playing music also recording all of it at the same time :P

What's your 3Dmark scores? Think it would be fairly similar to my build of early last year about €200 less with intel/nvidia.