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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Rocksteady on Batman Arkham Knight - 'Wii U could not meet gameplay objectives'

Gaming forums like vgchartz dont represent the entire gaming industry in general. But I am curious how many nintendo fans own wii u here? And how many of them have gotten batman arkham city. I can guess the number is very low. Cant blame rocksteady.



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If Modern Warfare 3 can run on Wii, then Arkham Knight can run on Wii U.

But I understand that it might not be a fun challenge to achieve it, and that even if the was, the cost-benefit just doesn't work in its favor.



While I agree the reason as stated is iffy and probably 'dumbed down' a little too much, Rocksteady is of course right in not bringing over this game. If I were a third party publisher, I wouldn't just bring over any game either, I'd be pretty picky about it.

That said, if they really wanted to, the game could be made to work on WiiU. Any game could. However, Nintendo's choice to go with PowerPC combined with it's low sales are really hurting it. Now that the PS4One both went with x86 architecture (Nintendo's bad luck) it's just too much trouble to convert these games properly to run well on WiiU. In the end it isn't worth it when sales are so low.



More polygons on a vehicle is what will make or break a game. Reminds me of a friend who's a casual gamer. He told me, "graphics are the most important thing why do you have a wii u." He insinuated I would be happier with an xbox one



Carl2291 said:
I dont think its directly about the limitations of working on Wii U. As has been said, any game could be downported, certainly to a console like the Wii U.

The problem is, the Wii U simply isnt worth the time, money and effort put into any port.

That is obvicously part of the reason....but the game isn´t coming to the PS360 (150 million + userbase) either.

So there very well may be technical limitations that couldn´t be overcome on the three consoles.



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Fusioncode said:
Viper1 said:
I hope they realize how incompetent that just made them look.

How so? They couldn't accomplish what they wanted to do on WiiU. Warner has been a pretty big supporter of the WiiU thus far, if they could have made the game on the system with comprising their vision I'm sure they would have done it.  

Or they could just be honest about it and state the Wii U games haven't sold to their expectations and it's not worth the resources required to make a Wii U port.

If "Vision" were the true reason, the game would be a PC exclusive and require a top of the line GPU.  But that again would reduce their sales potential so vision itself is not their deciding factors.  It's a combination of things including vision and sales potential.  I'd just rather them be honest about it instead of looking incompetent.



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Viper1 said:
Fusioncode said:
Viper1 said:
I hope they realize how incompetent that just made them look.

How so? They couldn't accomplish what they wanted to do on WiiU. Warner has been a pretty big supporter of the WiiU thus far, if they could have made the game on the system with comprising their vision I'm sure they would have done it.  

Or they could just be honest about it and state the Wii U games haven't sold to their expectations and it's not worth the resources required to make a Wii U port.

If "Vision" were the true reason, the game would be a PC exclusive and require a top of the line GPU.  But that again would reduce their sales potential so vision itself is not their deciding factors.  It's a combination of things including vision and sales potential.  I'd just rather them be honest about it instead of looking incompetent.

Well yeah, I'm sure sales played a factor. But I doubt they're lying about WiiU being underpowered comapared to the other consoles. 



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Viper1 said:

  It's a combination of things including vision and sales potential.  I'd just rather them be honest about it instead of looking incompetent.

Well, given that they also won't be making PS360 version, even with such a huge install base, they obviously think that downgrade through which the game must go in order to be put on those platforms would compomise too much their original vision.

But honestly, does it really matter what they have stated?

A while ago, in EG interview, folks from D.I.C.E. stated pretty much what you're saying - both tech and business side of things are what keeps them away from Wii U. Nevertheless, some of Nintendo fan(atic)s claimed that to be BS, and all sort of "lazy dev" stuff was all over the forum(s).

As someone who thinks that games like GTAV could be successfully ported (in some shape) even to PS2, given enough time and sales potential, I agree that it's (almost) never just the tech side. But it comes a time in every gen when devs just don't want to bother with another platforms that are not exactly at the  level they want them to be, and instead they focus on the ones that are.



Fusioncode said:
Viper1 said:

Or they could just be honest about it and state the Wii U games haven't sold to their expectations and it's not worth the resources required to make a Wii U port.

If "Vision" were the true reason, the game would be a PC exclusive and require a top of the line GPU.  But that again would reduce their sales potential so vision itself is not their deciding factors.  It's a combination of things including vision and sales potential.  I'd just rather them be honest about it instead of looking incompetent.

Well yeah, I'm sure sales played a factor. But I doubt they're lying about WiiU being underpowered comapared to the other consoles. 

I never said they were lying about it having less power.  That's not even up for debate that it has less power than the PS4 and XOne.  I'm simply saying that if vision is their overall driving force, then it would be a PC exclusive requiring top end GPU's.  But that limits sales so their vision is already compromised.   That means sales matter more than vision which is precisely why it's not coming to Wii U.  It's not vision, it's sales.

However, available resources could also be playing a major factor.  These games are taking up even more resources (time and money) than they did last generation.  That makes it even more costly to run several teams or SKU's for various consoles for a single game.   Thereby a focus on just PS4 and XOne could make perfect sense.  I just wish they be honest about it instead of theis poorly veiled allusion to artistic integrity.

 

Holo, this post probably works as a reply for you as well.  I began writing it before you quoted me.



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Viper1 said:
Fusioncode said:
Viper1 said:

Or they could just be honest about it and state the Wii U games haven't sold to their expectations and it's not worth the resources required to make a Wii U port.

If "Vision" were the true reason, the game would be a PC exclusive and require a top of the line GPU.  But that again would reduce their sales potential so vision itself is not their deciding factors.  It's a combination of things including vision and sales potential.  I'd just rather them be honest about it instead of looking incompetent.

Well yeah, I'm sure sales played a factor. But I doubt they're lying about WiiU being underpowered comapared to the other consoles. 

I never said they were lying about it having less power.  That's not even up for debate that it has less power than the PS4 and XOne.  I'm simply saying that if vision is their overall driving force, then it would be a PC exclusive requiring top end GPU's.  But that limits sales so their vision is already compromised.   That means sales matter more than vision which is precisely why it's not coming to Wii U.  It's not vision, it's sales.

However, available resources could also be playing a major factor.  These games are taking up even more resources (time and money) than they did last generation.  That makes it even more costly to run several teams or SKU's for various consoles for a single game.   Thereby a focus on just PS4 and XOne could make perfect sense.  I just wish they be honest about it instead of theis poorly veiled allusion to artistic integrity.

I get what you're saying. Makes sense. 



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