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Price, messaging/marketing, carry over success from the end of last gen, brand power long term, publicity.

I can't quantify any of them because I feel the whole is greater than the sum of its parts but I'm 95% sure of myself and if you disagree you're a walrus.



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playnbox said:
this has been known even before xbox 1 was released. Do people here need reminder every day that PS4 is winning? it's getting old.


if you read this thread you will notice that many people are still in denial about mainly 4 things on the xbox one:

1 - It is selling much less than MS was hoping for

2 - It is significantly less powerfull than the PS4

3 - It should cost significantly less than the PS4

4 - Gold is bad for consumers, it charges you for "features" that should be just there, like on ANY other device ever made

As long as people are arguing against these points there will be people out there putting efforts to slap them back into consciousness.



Playstation is a bigger brand worldwide than Xbox, Ps3 has been winning worldwide since 2009 vs the 360 I don't recall it being cheaper. Unless they priced the Ps4 again in a ridiculous price range like they did with the Ps3 the Ps4 would have been ahead even against a cheaper X1. Because a cheaper X1 would also come with cuts in the hardware and the value.



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foodfather said:
Um two and ONLY two reason.

Cheaper Price. More territories.

Nothing more.


-More powerful hardware

-Easier to develop for

-No PR dissaster with the whole "no used games"

-No obligatory camera

-It became the "cool" console of the gen

-PS Plus is great now, I'm not saying is best than Gold but it has become a great service in is own right

 

Lots of reasons there, by the way do you really think that releasing in Chipre and Perú is going to give it that big of a push in sales?



kowenicki said:

1.  You first answer doesnt deal with the intent.  Smart but transparent response.  But feel free to name the list of people it refers to if it helps.

2.  Are you suggesting there wasn't enough games to play in the first 3 months of thre system?  I have bought 8 full retail titles and a number of high quality LIVE titles in the first 3 and a half months.  So thats double figures of quality (not 20 minute indie) titles, so... I repeat, what drought?

Ah yes, I'm delighted you responded.

Dodging the question and trying to move the goal posts into the subjective territory of quality games are we?

Well, I'll bite:

Out of those 8 retail games, how many of them were neither on X360/PS3 or PS4, I allow you to count TitanFall, so you can count games on PC as well.

Also, you mention Live titles, how many of those where cross-buy...oh wait

Well, its a good thing you enjoy giving Xbox money, I personally get quite annoyed when Playstation bothers me about downloading a game for free on Vita. I don't even have a Vita! They must be trying to make me buy one by giving me games for it! Those slimey bastards. 

Oh but look at me, I'm making assumptions again. I'm sure Xbox sent you an email on the free games you recieived for 360 and XB1 for subscribing to XBL, or probably a notification on that fresh new XBL app. Or better yet, I bet you stream those "high quality live titles" on you're recently aquired twitch app.

Isn't it great how Xbox One is so futuristic? I mean to think, now the console can stream gameplay, pretty soon the PS4 and PC will follow suit as it is a competiton.



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KylieDog said:
kowenicki said:
Price is 95% of it.

saying anything else is delusional.


OK, I'm sure 360 owners with multiple RRODs have utter faith in another MS console, I'm sure those who compare PS+ to Gold and see it is far better value don't let that influence anything, I'm sure any 360 owner who saw MS offer crap support the last few years for 360 while Sony strongly supported PS3 didn't let that influence anything, I'm sure the PS4 offering clearly better versions of games didn't influence anything and I bet that whole XBone DRM shitstorm didn't affect a damn thing either.


Cool story, but those are really not game changers like you think.

The real thing is price....namely 360 having 2008 prices in NA and coasting on them to this very day. PS3 dropped $150 since 2009 and introduced their own "gimped" $200 console just to stay competitive. People like to overlook that.

MS could have very well dropped to stay the winner but god bless their hearts....they preferred profitability ;)

P.S - People like to complain about MS's lack of 1st party support in the last few years, but we all know multiplats do all the carrying most of the time anyway. XBLA was still a beast and I preferred Halo 4 to anything PS3 had in 2012 (Halo 4 literally outsold every PS3 exclusive combined in 2012, so regardless that point is moot).



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

kowenicki said:
Price is 95% of it.

saying anything else is delusional.




poor kowenicki.....

 

having a console that is 50% more powerful than your xbox

having a console with an actual first party relevance

having a console with way more games coming not just from big 3rd parties, but from innovative studios

having a console where people constantly get a stream of free ip.. and AAA ip like outlast and resogun..

a console that can play the same games your console can, but better with DOUBLE THE FRAMERATE AND even DOUBLE THE RESOLUTION at times..

 

of course price is the only thing that has to do with anything....... of course

makes one wonder why the MORE COSTLY playstation 3 is over a million units ahead of the xbox 360.. which is a much cheaper option..



 

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kowenicki said:
Zekkyou said:
kowenicki said:
Price is 95% of it.

saying anything else is delusional.



So it's delusional to believe that more than 5% of the PS4's success is due to being the bigger global brand, not having a pre-launch shitstorm and constantly being publicized in having the superior version of most multi plats?

Gotchaaaa.


If the ONE was $100 less the the PS4 in the US, it would be way ahead. Simple as that.  Deny it all you want.


Fantasize it all you want.  ;)



padib said:
kowenicki said:
padib said:
kowenicki said:

No.  I'm a guy that owns a very successful business.  

Only people that arent entrepreneurs call themselves entrepreneurs and I dont think I've ever done that unless I was pissed or trying to piss someone off (which i do from time to time)

answer this, after that long list of apparent mistakes, nay crimes against gamers listed above... how come the 360 sold the same as the PS3?  How was that possible?

If I said price, would you believe me?

BINGO!

So, despite being priced more expensive than the PS3 for the longer portion of its lifetime, it still outsold the PS3, and you're arguing that the 360 beat the PS3 thanks to its more expensive pricepoint?

Also, what is your opinion on the Ouya which is priced at 99$ new?

he lost..

ps3 outsold xbox 360, and is DESTROYING XBOX 360 in sales today.. despite being much more expensive than xbox 360..

 

it really isn't just price kowenicki..... if that were the case WII U would be ahead of both



 

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leo-j said:
kowenicki said:
Price is 95% of it.

saying anything else is delusional.




poor kowenicki.....

 

having a console that is 50% more powerful than your xbox

having a console with an actual first party relevance

having a console with way more games coming not just from big 3rd parties, but from innovative studios

having a console where people constantly get a stream of free ip.. and AAA ip like outlast and resogun..

a console that can play the same games your console can, but better with DOUBLE THE FRAMERATE AND even DOUBLE THE RESOLUTION at times..

 

of course price is the only thing that has to do with anything....... of course

makes one wonder why the MORE COSTLY playstation 3 is over a million units ahead of the xbox 360.. which is a much cheaper option..

Terrible post.

There is healthy debate....and then there is this.....(don´t use the fan-man word !)......reeking of condescension and what feels like some superiority complex......post.