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kowenicki said:

wow....deary me.

Anyhow. What does exclusivity, PS4, PS+ and whatever else you are banging on about have to do with my point?

You said I had a gaming drought on my ONE?  I havent had one.  I cant speak for the PS4 I don't have one.

I did? Hold on...

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
This is why I love Sterling, he tells it like it is.

Those saying its simply price are delusional. Price is a key factor, but everything else he says is spot on as well.
And if you're to thick that you can't understand, or in so much delusion that you don't want to understand allow me to explain it in idiot's terms:
The PS4 uses indie support to flesh out its library the droughts between major releases. It also adds value to the console.
The Xb1 does not.

Between KZ:SF and I:SS, PS+ has given free games on each of its platforms every month, and on the PS4 those are new indie titles. Not system sellers, but games in between system sellers.

PS+ >XBL in relative value (basically the amount you get vs the amount you pay for)
One might argue that XBL gives you youtube and netflix, but the fact that these service require live mean that the cost more to use on XB1 than on PS4.

Even at the same price, the PS4 is still cheaper than the XB1.
And the added value of XB1 features are ironically made extraneous by the very devices they aimed to replace.
CIP, Its easier and cheaper to use Youtube with your smart tv rather than on the XB1 connected to it.

Oh, you know what...my mistake, I underestimated your propensity to ignore reality. I would expect that from a Nintendo Fan but not an Xbox one. But times are a changing...

However, forgive me for not clarifying, I asked what exclusive games came out in Dec, Jan, and Feb, not what games you bought as I that information is not avaliable with a google search.

I'm defining drought in objective terms however and all three current gen consoles have had droughts between major releases. Although I value your anacedotal evidence, I must remind you that its not really relevant to the original question.

You can continue to dodge the question or admit the answer, either way.

It doesn't change the fact that I'm right.



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Ka-pi96 said:

Not according to the latest shipment data.

Xbox 360 is still outselling PS3 in some markets though. And back when the PS3 was alot more expensive the 360 was destroying it. Price isn't the only factor but it is certainly the most important one. PS3 made its comeback by being priced relatively better. Xbox One and PS4 would very close if price was the same. And as kowenicki suggested earlier the Xbox One would be ahead if it was $100 cheaper than the PS4. So price!

 

As for the Wii U. Well that is lacking in a lot of areas hence the low sales. The Xbox One and PS4 are very similar consoles meaning price is a much larger factor than would otherwise be the case.

That's precisely what OP and people are arguing here, that the PS4 is surpassing the X1 in terms of brand, features and offerings (what you call their similarity) and hence price is not the only factor eclipsing all other factors, as some have argued so far, with which you've admitted to agree 100% two posts up.



Ka-pi96 said:

I took that post as sarcasm. Atleast I hope that is what it is.


It isn´t, that is leo-j for you.



Lyrikalstylez said:
Didn't click but looks like Titanfall is currently kicking anything that's on ps4 ass
Let's see if infamous brings the ps4 back....


Brings it back? Since when did Xbone take the lead? If this were a basketball game, PS4 is up 50-25 and Xbone just scored 5 unanswered points. Ps4 is still far, far ahead lol.



leo-j said:
kowenicki said:
Price is 95% of it.

saying anything else is delusional.




poor kowenicki.....

 

having a console that is 50% more powerful than your xbox

having a console with an actual first party relevance

having a console with way more games coming not just from big 3rd parties, but from innovative studios

having a console where people constantly get a stream of free ip.. and AAA ip like outlast and resogun..

a console that can play the same games your console can, but better with DOUBLE THE FRAMERATE AND even DOUBLE THE RESOLUTION at times..

 

of course price is the only thing that has to do with anything....... of course

makes one wonder why the MORE COSTLY playstation 3 is over a million units ahead of the xbox 360.. which is a much cheaper option..


I think he means that if the xb1 was priced "right" it does not necessarily means the same as the PS4, heck if it was 50$ free I may even get one in case I need a door stoper or something (seriously, I have my better multi platform titles on the PS4, I don't live in the states, so the media capabilities are useless to me... etc. etc. and I am not interested in their supposedly amazing exclusives, I certainly have no desire to get their "Gold" service so I can run Netflix, like on my tablet, phones and other consoles... it has literally no use if you have any other gadget in the house.



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padib said:
DucksUnlimited said:

I'm glad you brought up the games. What this shows is that Nintendo was hoping for Wii-like success with the U. But when you look at actual sales, games like Wii Fit U, Wii Party U and Wii Sports Club all did very lackluster. The fact that a title as niche as Pikmin 3 is selling similarly, if not better than some of this software really shows that the audience and appeal of the Wii U is nothing like that of the Wii.

Or it would show what is more reasonable: that the U is not priced to sell in the market of the Wii.

Games like Wii Fit U are not selling because the U is priced for a difference market strata and as such that pricepoint is limiting sales of the Wii-type games.

it's $50 more than the Wii at launch....lol. More reasonable? Come on dude.



kowenicki said:
Zekkyou said:
kowenicki said:
Price is 95% of it.

saying anything else is delusional.



So it's delusional to believe that more than 5% of the PS4's success is due to being the bigger global brand, not having a pre-launch shitstorm and constantly being publicized in having the superior version of most multi plats?

Gotchaaaa.


If the ONE was $100 less and without a bundled kinect in the US, it would be way ahead. Simple as that.  Deny it all you want.


fixed :-p



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

padib said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Not according to the latest shipment data.

Xbox 360 is still outselling PS3 in some markets though. And back when the PS3 was alot more expensive the 360 was destroying it. Price isn't the only factor but it is certainly the most important one. PS3 made its comeback by being priced relatively better. Xbox One and PS4 would very close if price was the same. And as kowenicki suggested earlier the Xbox One would be ahead if it was $100 cheaper than the PS4. So price!

 

As for the Wii U. Well that is lacking in a lot of areas hence the low sales. The Xbox One and PS4 are very similar consoles meaning price is a much larger factor than would otherwise be the case.

That's precisely what OP and people are arguing here, that the PS4 is surpassing the X1 in terms of brand, features and offerings (what you call their similarity) and hence price is not the only factor eclipsing all other factors, as some have argued so far, with which you've admitted to agree 100% two posts up.

I would argue that due to their similarities the price is a relative factor, growing in importance with a greater difference. The $100 difference therefore makes it a pretty major factor.

I think Brazil would make interesting evidence here with the PS4 costing vastly more than the Xbox One. I've only seen suggestions that the PS4 is doing badly there but no actual proof.

 





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DucksUnlimited said:
padib said:

Or it would show what is more reasonable: that the U is not priced to sell in the market of the Wii.

Games like Wii Fit U are not selling because the U is priced for a difference market strata and as such that pricepoint is limiting sales of the Wii-type games.

it's $50 more than the Wii at launch....lol. More reasonable? Come on dude.

It's too expensive, considering the $250 sku had no games bundled and required the purchase of an external HDD for a console that relies heavily on downloadable content. Thus, the pricepoint for the U did break it for the console, as the market they targetted clearly did not respond to the higher pricepoint (the true equivalent was sold at $299, $100 pricier than the Wii at launch).



If sales were about price, how does 360 beat ps3 in some markets and not in others? The price differences are the same in every market.

Also, if xb1 was a hundred dollars cheaper than ps4, I think it would be outselling it because that would basically be a 50% price cut, which is huge. The important thing to understand here, and which rings true to the jimquisition video posted in the OP, is that the xb1 COULD have been 100$ cheaper than the ps4. MS chose to include something that isn't resonating with gamers. MS CHOSE to be more expensive and in doing so they put themselves on bad footing.

MS did this to themselves. They could have launched at 400 or 350 or maybe even 300, but they decided instead to push a proprietary hardware that 33% of the market has since considered valuable.


What you SHOULD have said instead of "price" is "value".
ps4 is selling better because it is a better VALUE.

xb1 at 300$ would have much more VALUE than ps4. It's not the price makes the difference.... as shown by Sony last gen....it's the value.