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What a shame.. Snake's appearance in Smash Bros 4 would certainly help the Wii U version of Phantom Pain........ Oh wait...



                
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brendude13 said:
Wright said:
novasonic said:
I don't want to put my games on Nintendo system but I want Nintendo to use my character in their cross over brawler.

Outside framerrate issues, Konami put the best-looking version of Metal Gear Solid 3 on a Nintendo machine.

...WHAT!?




novasonic said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
 

Like I said, its not promotion. Its the other way around in fact. Having Snake in smash will draw in Metal Gear Fans. Nintendo barely even promoted W101, why do you think Kojima would want promotion from them? TBH I don't agree with them reducing the roster or even keeping the same number of characters, especailly when there is no story mode.

Unless we have some numbers showing how many MGS fans bought a Wii exclusively for Snake in Smash Bros., I don't really think that's a valid argument. Smash Bros. is for Nintendo characters and 3rd party characters close to Nintendo. If Kojima isn't going to give Nintendo at least half decent support, Snake doesn't belong in Smash Bros. There needs to be some kind of give and take. Snake belongs in Playstation All Stars 100 times more than he belongs in Smash Bros.

Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence. You don't have number showing how Smash is promotion either.

It doesn't matter if Snake isn't from the "Nintendo Universe", he adds variety to the Roster.

From a Western Centric view: Snake doesn't deserve to be in Smash cause he hasn't been on a nintendo game.

Consider Japan where Snake is more popular then even in the west? You think having him in the game wouldn't intrest players?

The Roster is one of the biggest attactions to the game cause it expands the gameplay and expands the audience at the same time.

It's not just some stupid nintendo only thing.



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oniyide said:
Justagamer said:
Sure kojima, put snake in smash bros, get a bunch of free advertisement for a character that will never have an actual game of his own on the console or handheld. If I were Nintendo, I'd tell kojima to go suck a dick.


yeah cause there wasnt a MG game on 3ds, oh wait


Yeah, youre right. A 10+ year old game, that was arguably the worst in the series, so nintendo should go ahead and throw konami a bone and put snake in smash. They should put in every third party character in there too, then. Because those companies actually brought more games. Fact is, metal gear and konami would benefit from this more than nintendo and smash bros would. Didnt the worst selling smash game still sell as much as the best selling metal gear? Just like third parties owe nintendo nothing, nintendo owes them even less, advertise your own character, konami. I can live without snake.



AZWification said:

What a shame.. Snake's appearance in Smash Bros 4 would certainly help the Wii U version of Phantom Pain........ Oh wait...


Lol, this is the most perfect statement in this thread. Well done.



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if only konami had shown more support to wii or at least help wii u with games during the launch then maybe, but as things turned out well obviously nintendo is not happy and doesnt have to do any more favors



AZWification said:

What a shame.. Snake's appearance in Smash Bros 4 would certainly help the Wii U version of Phantom Pain........ Oh wait...

Yah, because Sonic's appereance in Smash really improved his Wii Exclusive game sales.

I'm not implying including Snake will increase that value of Smash as a system seller, but it will expand the game's auidence. 

 

It would make a lot more sense for nintendo to advertise a Wii U Phantom Pain, then to put snake in smash to advertise phantom pain. Again, the roster isn't promotion.

Take a step back from your biases and emotions and look at it for what it really is, a buisness decision.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

It doesn't matter if Snake isn't from the "Nintendo Universe", he adds variety to the Roster.

From a Western Centric view: Snake doesn't deserve to be in Smash cause he hasn't been on a nintendo game.

Consider Japan where Snake is more popular then even in the west? You think having him in the game wouldn't intrest players?

The Roster is one of the biggest attactions to the game cause it expands the gameplay and expands the audience at the same time.

It's not just some stupid nintendo only thing.

It is a "Nintendo-only" thing... It's Super Smash Bros. A first party series focused on Nintendo's characters and universes, which before Brawl didn't include any 3rd party characters whatsoever. And Sakurai has already stated that 3rd party characters will be limited. They're guest characters.

Now, with this in mind, why should Snake take priority over any of the other popular characters that could be added to the game ? Characters that have more significant history on Nintendo platforms and are more likely to return to them. Characters that also add variety, and would actually be new to Smash. Characters that also have worldwide appeal and potentially great movesets. Why ?

It's not just about getting any popular character in there. There's other factors at stake here.



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
novasonic said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
 

Like I said, its not promotion. Its the other way around in fact. Having Snake in smash will draw in Metal Gear Fans. Nintendo barely even promoted W101, why do you think Kojima would want promotion from them? TBH I don't agree with them reducing the roster or even keeping the same number of characters, especailly when there is no story mode.

Unless we have some numbers showing how many MGS fans bought a Wii exclusively for Snake in Smash Bros., I don't really think that's a valid argument. Smash Bros. is for Nintendo characters and 3rd party characters close to Nintendo. If Kojima isn't going to give Nintendo at least half decent support, Snake doesn't belong in Smash Bros. There needs to be some kind of give and take. Snake belongs in Playstation All Stars 100 times more than he belongs in Smash Bros.

Absence of Evidence is not evidence of absence. You don't have number showing how Smash is promotion either.

It doesn't matter if Snake isn't from the "Nintendo Universe", he adds variety to the Roster.

From a Western Centric view: Snake doesn't deserve to be in Smash cause he hasn't been on a nintendo game.

Consider Japan where Snake is more popular then even in the west? You think having him in the game wouldn't intrest players?

The Roster is one of the biggest attactions to the game cause it expands the gameplay and expands the audience at the same time.

It's not just some stupid nintendo only thing.

It's a Nintendo made cross over game made exclusively for Nintendo consoles featuring 99% Nintendo owned characters. It is exactly just a stupid Nintendo thing.




8th gen predictions. (made early 2014)
PS4: 60-65m
WiiU: 30-35m
X1: 30-35m
3DS: 80-85m
PSV: 15-20m

Snake was definitely different in Brawl, but if Konami's going to bring anything to the Smash Bros. table it should be a Belmont.