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It scares me how Nintendo is doing. A QOL plataform? Very odd and a shot in the dark to nowhere. Could it still be named a videogame console and being in competition with the other major 2? Hard times are coming to Nintendo, just wishing they become somewhat successful with whatever they do



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fluky-nintendy said:
It scares me how Nintendo is doing. A QOL plataform? Very odd and a shot in the dark to nowhere. Could it still be named a videogame console and being in competition with the other major 2? Hard times are coming to Nintendo, just wishing they become somewhat successful with whatever they do


I doubt it will even be a "system" in a traditional sense, probably more like a range of devices with maybe one central hub type device. Extremely cheap to produce, mostly plastic and not a whole lot else, extremely bare bones tech wise, likely a completely new brand with the Nintendo branding pushed down to a minimum.

Which I guess is fine ... the Wii Fit crowd (or what's left of it) doesn't want to play things like Bayonetta 2 or Metroid or even Donkey Kong Country ... why keep trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Let them have their overpriced "health box" if that's all they want and let the game division go back to focusing on actual gamers. 



Interesting article, but I think it's not so bad Nintendo will do something as desperate as completely reimagining the Wii U as a health and wellness product. Like that would work, anyway. Casual gamers buy consoles once every ten years, so they're likely quite happy with their Wii Fit and will be for years to come.

Let me venture my own thesis. The Wii U was destined to do poorly it's first two years on the market.

The Wii U tried to be a hard core console, or at least harder core than the Wii. The problem was, aside from the cute name and the gamepad, most gamers like that were probably going to wait for a Sony or Microsoft console, anyway, and would only buy the Wii U if both were hideous flops. It would have helped if they had launched with more games around launch, but for 80% of the target market, an early sale was impossible.

And of course, Sony didn't drop the ball, so the Wii U couldn't have sold well until summer 2014.

Thing is, the Wii U does fill a valid niche in most living rooms because of the second screen. About 6 months after the competitors have done their hardware and the hype has cooled off is the perfect time to advertise the Wii U as a SECOND console, for people who already have a main console and could use some second screen support. Might need a firmware update for that, but still entirely doable.

And like I've said elsewhere, I think an ad campaign like that is the perfect excuse to ask Sony to borrow Legend of Dragoon.

If X, Zelda, and an ad campaign like that all do nothing by Summer 2015, THEN panic and pull the plug. You've supported the console for a reasonable run with most of your major titles and it has failed to take into a niche in the market.



RolStoppable said:
This article just reinforces what everyone should already know, that the Wii U won't have a long life. The existence of the QoL platform means that Nintendo has a plan going forward which is more than could be said about the months and years leading up to the Wii U launch. In that sense it's actually a very positive article, not a "Nintendo is doomed" shout.

As for entering the crowded health & lifestyle market, people need to think in blue ocean terms. That means a product that creates a new value proposition, thus a comparison with the feature sets of existing products is circumvented. Think Wii; how can Nintendo prevail in the home console market against powerful competitors like Sony and Microsoft, that was the big question before Nintendo unveiled their fifth home console. The Wii created a situation where consumers didn't ask "Wii, PS3 or 360?", but rather "Wii and PS3/360?" or "Wii or nothing". In other words, the Wii couldn't be substituted by any other product. The QoL platform must fall into the same category; and if it does, it won't matter what other companies provide.

Yep, that strategy, to offer something different from the others (and obviously that users liked), was the biggest HW reason of Wii success, and it worked because it served well the SW, making a new kind of gameplay possible, easy and comfortable, and affordable too (expensive motion control wands already existed for PC, but they were niche or for research purposes). The dumbest things in the article are actually two: suggesting to split the user base with a tabletless version (a smaller and cheaper to build gamepad could be a good solution instead) and the resurrection of Vitality Sensor, that at least in its current form, pinching a fingertip, would be a pain in the arse for both gaming and fitness (but those sensors are currently so cheap that once finding the correct form factor and part of the body to apply it on, it will be simple and not expensive to include as standard equipment in future products, if fitting to their market strategies, so there's just an ergonomics problem to solve).



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fluky-nintendy said:
It scares me how Nintendo is doing. A QOL plataform? Very odd and a shot in the dark to nowhere. Could it still be named a videogame console and being in competition with the other major 2? Hard times are coming to Nintendo, just wishing they become somewhat successful with whatever they do


.............again. The QoL shit is a side thing they are developing. That is going to be separate from their video game console products. Iwata said this. This is not their "future". It's just one of many avenues they're exploring, such as more licensing, to create more revenue for the company, to satisfy their shareholders. Which is the sad truth when it comes to taking your company public.



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It's all pure speculation. Nothing here is grounded in fact (aside from the obvious), and I'm not really sure why he thinks that QoL will be their next "big" thing, because if won't.

With MK8, Smash, X and more coming from Nintendo this year for the U, it's pretty clear they have no intentions of abandoning it anytime soon. Maybe we will see a successor next year at E3, to be released in 2016, making the Wii U last a year less than would be ideal. But there's no way Nintendo are simply going to "abandon" the system, because that just doesn't make sense.



 

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Flawed argument, and highly selective. Sure, there are some parallels, but Iwata's briefing on the QOL was different to the announcement of the DS. The DS was another videogame console, but represented a step away from the GameBoy brand. QOL represents the first time in more than thirty years that Nintendo have launched a new business venture, designed to increase revenue streams so that the videogame business isn't Nintendo's only source of income.

Further more, in the same briefing cited by the article, Iwata commented that in the long-term, the QOL business was intended to strengthen the videogame business. Iwata also outlined the future of Nintendo's videogame business, with a Network orientated platform accessed via home consoles and portables that would share OS features, for ease of cross-platform development. Iwata has a vision for the future of videogaming at Nintendo, and this is ignored in the article in order to reach a hit-worthy conclusion. Just more sub-standard reporting, really.



Rogerioandrade said:
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Tsc Tsc.... this is tottally nonsense. Nintendo knows very well, as everyone should know by now, that the videogame console business is shrinking and will dissapear in some years, they´re just trying to find new business models to work on, like they have been doing for more than 100 years. Still, they won´t ignore the game market with their huge IPs and will continue to support consoles as long as there´s an audience for them

Gamespot must be really in desperate need of clicks - this is what every videogame website do when they´re losing attention and audience: publish a controversial article about Nintendo problems - as if Sony (Vita, anyone?) and MS (XboxOne sales) were not facing problems too in their videogame divisions and as if many studios and developers were not closing doors in the last 3 years.

Besides, no one still knows what exactely what the "Quality of Life" business model means, so anything said and written about that is just mere guessing speculation.

Just because Wii U ain't selling well doesn't mean that consoles are dying. Look at PS4 sales, its breaking records. The console market won't disappear in some years. Its just your wish that it did cause your favourite console maker is incompetent.

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Man, the overall consoles sales have been down year--to-year for  seven years in a row right now, and there´s no sight that this tendency will stop soon. The numbers speak for themselves. 

The new generation is failing in bringing new consumers to the market. Not even the PS4 is succeding in doing  this. There´s a whole new generation of gamers growing up with tablet, smartphone and PC gaming and ignoring consoles. Those are the devices that are actually making with games what consoles couldn´t: bring them mainstream, accessible and interesting to all audiences. Consoles are becoming niche again but with a much smaller audience than last generation, an audience unable to keep the market afloating as it is.

I hope that the console market may find a point of stability in the future, but that only will happen if companies change, once and for all, this stupid AAA paradigm. 

 

The PS4 isn't selling better than what it already does because of limited production. I am willing to bet it will sell over 100 million units lifetime. Sure many people play only on smartphones and tablets but they never were console gamers in the first place. PC gamers however are hardcore and I think its expansion is as good for gaming as the expansion of console gaming. 8th gen consoles overall will sell less than 7th gen consoles because most of the casual Wii crowd have left console gaming. However the hardcore PS3/360 gamers are here to stay. In fact many people are migrating from tablets and smartphones to consoles and discovering the incredible variety and quality of AAA console games. So I think console gaming might actually expand this generation.