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aryu on 27 February 2014
MyCodenameIsIan said:
So many defensive Sony threads recently.

Nintendo has significantly less risk than Sony. They have one clear focus and they are the market leader in the handheld market. Nintendo is a consistently profitable company, with only two major products on the market it's not difficult for them to change their strategy.

The Wii U has been a disaster, they bet on the casual market picking it up and the casual market lost interest and moved onto the next fad. Nintendo have hinted that they have new hardware in development/planning that will be backwards compatible with Wii U titles.

Personally I think they have to go back after the core gamer, or get into the Tablet/Smartphone business.

Sony on the other hand is a large multi-national corporation. They have business/factories worldwide and have fallen behind in many sectors.

Their hardware business is failing, they have lost market share in the smart phone, TV, music player and electrical sectors.

Sony used to have multiple sub-brands like the Walkman, Vaio, Bravia but only the Playstation brand is really still relevant.

That said the Playstation, film and TV businesses are doing well and I can see Sony shifting into a content creater/services company.

They have lots of first party developers to create games, as well as TV, music and movie studios that can deliver content to their devices.

The problem is turning around the hardware businesses, pulling the profitable sectors down with the ship.


You do know that Sony also has a financial services business and that it is also their most profitable division, right?



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Asdrendeluxe on 27 February 2014
Lawlight said:
EricFabian said:
Lawlight said:
People always point to how much money Nintendo have in the bank. While I don't see them going bankrupt soon, I do see them leaving the console or dedicated handheld market.


Care to explain?


Sure. Nintendo relies on 2 things for profit - their console and their handheld. The former will always sell poorly (the Wii being the exception). They can't go back to making a big profit on each system sold like they were before because consoles are more complex these days (with hard drive, wifi adapters, etc). They also don't have the brand to survive in the console space.

Handhelds are going the way of the dodo now - no one can deny that mobile is killing it. So, where do they go? I think them diversifying is the first sign that they're now thinking that having all their eggs in the gaming basket isn't a good idea. As their relevance in gaming diminishes so will their will to stay in that market (assuming their other products work).


With your logic it will give not a Radio then the Television is the feature , have i understand this. A new technology kills not the old. People must be in panic mode to believe when you not the number one you are doomed. NO the handheld is a profitabel buisniss much mor better then the Gameboy. But hej is not such good like the DS but the DS was a great sucess , nobody know what Nintendo is planning in the future. But whe now it is still a 10-15 Million Market and a solid one.

 

Of the another side you have a taff market like the App Marktet. Only a few make Money in this buisniss but hej fuck every one thej buy our devices and screw  it .



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tanok on 27 February 2014

well, not sure, at least the estadistics tell other thing
http://wiiudaily.com/2014/01/macroaxis-nintendo-failure/
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Macroaxis predicts Nintendo only has 22% chance of failure in the next two years
234
According to an investment analyst tool, Nintendo's chance of failure is much less than Sony's.
Ashley King
By Ashley King
ON JANUARY 3RD, 2014 IN NEWS

One of the things that permeates gaming culture is the notion that Nintendo is a niche product that is destined to fail. Ask any gamer who primarily focuses on Sony or Microsoft consoles and you’ll hear arguments that Nintendo is doomed, they’re a company full of gimmicks, and that they won’t survive past a few years in this age of mobile. While that perception has done a lot to taint some gamers against Nintendo, is it actually true?


Macroaxis is a financial investing tool that takes numerous aspects of an organization’s performance into account when determining whether the company is financially sound. Using this tool, we ran an analysis on Nintendo as a whole and discovered that the tool only predicts a 22% chance of failure for Nintendo. So where are Sony and Microsoft sitting? The results may surprise you.


Microsoft is currently sitting pretty at only a 1% chance of failure due to its software division. Windows currently does a lot to carry the company and despite techie reactions to Windows 8, the world seems far more accepting. This is not to mention Microsoft’s current stranglehold on the enterprise side of things, where Windows and Office are the name of the game. Microsoft can afford to have the Xbox division fail, though it would be a costly mistake.


As for Sony, anyone who has been paying attention to the global market as of recently knows that overall the company hasn’t been too healthy. They’ve recently had to sell headquarters and shore up divisions in order to make ends meet, so there’s plenty riding on the success of the PlayStation 4. Macroaxis determined that Sony has a whopping 78% chance of failure in the next 2 years, according to what financials look like today. That’s certainly more telling than Nintendo’s problem.

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Lawlight on 27 February 2014
Asdrendeluxe said:

With your logic it will give not a Radio then the Television is the feature , have i understand this. A new technology kills not the old. People must be in panic mode to believe when you not the number one you are doomed. NO the handheld is a profitabel buisniss much mor better then the Gameboy. But hej is not such good like the DS but the DS was a great sucess , nobody know what Nintendo is planning in the future. But whe now it is still a 10-15 Million Market and a solid one.

 

Of the another side you have a taff market like the App Marktet. Only a few make Money in this buisniss but hej fuck every one thej buy our devices and screw  it .


All things are pointing to smartphones and tablets killing dedicated handhelds. The 10-15 Million Market that you mention - is that for one year?



aryu on 27 February 2014
tanok said:

well, not sure, at least the estadistics tell other thing
http://wiiudaily.com/2014/01/macroaxis-nintendo-failure/
"
Macroaxis predicts Nintendo only has 22% chance of failure in the next two years
234
According to an investment analyst tool, Nintendo's chance of failure is much less than Sony's.
Ashley King
By Ashley King
ON JANUARY 3RD, 2014 IN NEWS

One of the things that permeates gaming culture is the notion that Nintendo is a niche product that is destined to fail. Ask any gamer who primarily focuses on Sony or Microsoft consoles and you’ll hear arguments that Nintendo is doomed, they’re a company full of gimmicks, and that they won’t survive past a few years in this age of mobile. While that perception has done a lot to taint some gamers against Nintendo, is it actually true?


Macroaxis is a financial investing tool that takes numerous aspects of an organization’s performance into account when determining whether the company is financially sound. Using this tool, we ran an analysis on Nintendo as a whole and discovered that the tool only predicts a 22% chance of failure for Nintendo. So where are Sony and Microsoft sitting? The results may surprise you.


Microsoft is currently sitting pretty at only a 1% chance of failure due to its software division. Windows currently does a lot to carry the company and despite techie reactions to Windows 8, the world seems far more accepting. This is not to mention Microsoft’s current stranglehold on the enterprise side of things, where Windows and Office are the name of the game. Microsoft can afford to have the Xbox division fail, though it would be a costly mistake.


As for Sony, anyone who has been paying attention to the global market as of recently knows that overall the company hasn’t been too healthy. They’ve recently had to sell headquarters and shore up divisions in order to make ends meet, so there’s plenty riding on the success of the PlayStation 4. Macroaxis determined that Sony has a whopping 78% chance of failure in the next 2 years, according to what financials look like today. That’s certainly more telling than Nintendo’s problem.

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That was in January. This is now:

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/NTDOY.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy  - Nintendo has a 75% chance of going bankrupt according to macroaxis.

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/SNE--Probability-Of-Bankruptcy - Sony has a 48% chance of going bankrupt according to macroaxis.



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Asdrendeluxe on 27 February 2014
Lawlight said:
Asdrendeluxe said:

With your logic it will give not a Radio then the Television is the feature , have i understand this. A new technology kills not the old. People must be in panic mode to believe when you not the number one you are doomed. NO the handheld is a profitabel buisniss much mor better then the Gameboy. But hej is not such good like the DS but the DS was a great sucess , nobody know what Nintendo is planning in the future. But whe now it is still a 10-15 Million Market and a solid one.

 

Of the another side you have a taff market like the App Marktet. Only a few make Money in this buisniss but hej fuck every one thej buy our devices and screw  it .


All things are pointing to smartphones and tablets killing dedicated handhelds. The 10-15 Million Market that you mention - is that for one year?


Oh god, when a new technology comes it kill not the old. Like i say it with the Radio and TV. What it  is doing it shrink the market, not only handheld even Console and i believe more then you imagine. You see this in the handheld Market. Sony can not becam a relevant guy in this industry (handheld). It kills the guys then have no great IPS , or Game Studios then can make great Games then sell System. Nintendo can deliever you a great experience. hell this is my first Handheld since the GAme Boy Colour, why the Games are great. Even Michael Pachter say then only Nintendo can make Handheld not another company.

 

To you 10-15 Million system according to Nintendo and Vgc it sold mor then 42 million unit in 3 Years . I say not it will sell 14 million but 10 million 1 years straight 2 years then 6 Million the last year in his life. That is a 68 Million Unit Hardware not such bad you doing it or maybe more when it came a great pricecut in 1 or 2 years, thej will sell more unit nobody knows but the Handheld market is for Nintendo fine.



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tiffac on 27 February 2014

I think right now, Sony has a clearer picture of what they want to do in the future than Ninty.

But that doesn't mean Ninty has a higher chance of going bankrupt. Sony was in the same boat before all this clear path plans was laid out and they didn't go under.

So I expect Ninty to iron things out as well.



jiykong on 27 February 2014

no Nintendo does not have a chance of going bankrupt before Sony

Breakdown:

Definition of bankruptcy: When you have debt to pay back, but do not have the cash to do so. Many people tend to believe that this means Nintendo will stay afloat until the cash reserve runs out. This isn't the case, As long as people are willing to lend Nintendo Cash, Nintendo won't declare bankruptcy.

Example: US Government. US Government have enormous amount of debt + Obligations and so if all debts are forced to be paid, then they should declare bankruptcy. But due to the fact that investors are still willing to lend to the US Gov, the US doesn't declare default on their loans and uses the loans from new investors to pay off old loans.

So looking at the situation the real question becomes, who has better credit?

One of the key aspect of determining this is IF the company does default, which company has a more desired asset?

Personally, It is nintendo.

Why? Because Nintendo's Disney. If Nintendo runs out of cash reserves and require loans to operate, the chances are that nintendo themselves are going to withdrawal from the expensive console market or their creditors will require them to. Once thats done, Nintendo is easily back on track to profitability.

Sony on the other had is different. They have uncharted/GOW/etc. but their franchise is nothing compared to nintendo. EG. Which one's more popular? Universal Studios or Disney land?

Also Sony's glory days in the hardware industry is no more. Sony for the most part was known for their computers/tv's/household electronics. The console market is a small part of the sony franchise just like how Xbox division in Microsoft is nothing to their bottom line.



NintendoPie on 27 February 2014
Justagamer said:


Sony has been bleeding for a decade. It's not something that just started the last couple of years, as it has for Nintendo. They are far from being on level ground. Not even close.

They both have the same chances of going bankrupt. Sony is a large company that really plays a part in the Japanese Economy, if worst comes to worst Japan will probably bail them out due to them not wanting to lose them.

Sony has had a history of not doing well, but in the coming years I seriously doubt they will go bankrupt.



Lawlight on 27 February 2014
Asdrendeluxe said:
Lawlight said:
Asdrendeluxe said:

With your logic it will give not a Radio then the Television is the feature , have i understand this. A new technology kills not the old. People must be in panic mode to believe when you not the number one you are doomed. NO the handheld is a profitabel buisniss much mor better then the Gameboy. But hej is not such good like the DS but the DS was a great sucess , nobody know what Nintendo is planning in the future. But whe now it is still a 10-15 Million Market and a solid one.

 

Of the another side you have a taff market like the App Marktet. Only a few make Money in this buisniss but hej fuck every one thej buy our devices and screw  it .


All things are pointing to smartphones and tablets killing dedicated handhelds. The 10-15 Million Market that you mention - is that for one year?


Oh god, when a new technology comes it kill not the old. Like i say it with the Radio and TV. What it  is doing it shrink the market, not only handheld even Console and i believe more then you imagine. You see this in the handheld Market. Sony can not becam a relevant guy in this industry (handheld). It kills the guys then have no great IPS , or Game Studios then can make great Games then sell System. Nintendo can deliever you a great experience. hell this is my first Handheld since the GAme Boy Colour, why the Games are great. Even Michael Pachter say then only Nintendo can make Handheld not another company.

 

To you 10-15 Million system according to Nintendo and Vgc it sold mor then 42 million unit in 3 Years . I say not it will sell 14 million but 10 million 1 years straight 2 years then 6 Million the last year in his life. That is a 68 Million Unit Hardware not such bad you doing it or maybe more when it came a great pricecut in 1 or 2 years, thej will sell more unit nobody knows but the Handheld market is for Nintendo fine.


The 3DS sales fell to less than 13M last year (a 13% drop) in a year that had Pokemon, the 2DS and Monster Hunter. This year, sales are falling even further behind. Say what you will but those "great" IPs will soon not be helping the 3DS, just like they aren't helping the WiiU at the moment.