Whats the problem with that? PS fans will also say PS3 will win the generational war even tho Wii production ceased 3-4 or so years earlier.

So two years of worth of yearly sports titles (50+ (sports games weren't just from EA Sports, you know)) and multiplatform titles with previous gen, but not on PS3 simply because the PS3 wasn't out yet (50+) is somehow a "tired excuse" when comparing two consoles with a games separation (on your particular list) of 124? 100+ games compared to 124 is "not even close" to making up the entire gap. Did you forget how to do math?

And you make it seem like PSN games just don't exist. Did you forget your history as well? Well in case you really did forget.....

The only thing you did get right was that, indeed, big games make the difference. When you think "360" you think Halo and Gears, not Splosion Man, and when you think "PS3" you think Uncharted and God of War, not Fat Princess. And if this is the metric we are going by, PS3 > 360

But you're using this to say XBone > PS4, but you're putting a qualifier on KZ ("made less desirable by CoD and BF4") and saying Ryse > Knack, when meta-wise, it's only marginally better and had less reviews, so technically speaking, the number is slighly less accurate. (that added more instead of keeping things simplified and apples to apples)

And let's just run with your quote about how indies/arcade games are "bonuses to be enjoyed once all ready purchased the console for a big name game". Well guess what? PS4 has Outlast, Don't Starve, WarFrame, Blacklight Retribution, Resogun, Contrast, etc. and XBone has literally nothing (right now), and everything else is pretty much equal between the two. So with that being said, how is the XBone better?

Well while I agree sales that it is hypocritical don't be a hypocrite by doing the same things that those people were doing back then  now. Stick to what you always said on paper the 360 library was the far superior one. Which is the truth even if others feel different. MS stopped supporting their console via disc based retail games but with XBLA it did a darn good job.

I remember you used to ALWAYS bring up the XBLA with how many more games(high rated games at that) it had and I felt you were correct even if I prefered the games on the PS3. If you ask me both sides are doing the same thing as long as it fits the "agenda" that they are trying go for. So stick to what you always have and don't go changing it just because "others" are doing it now.

Even if I didn't always agree with you I respected  it because you stuck to your guns. So stick to them even if they aren't in your favor...right now

I highly doubt people are flocking to PS4 for a bunch of indie titles. They are nice to have once you own the system, but they are not system sellers.

Here is a simple breakdown of why the PS4 is 2 million or whatever ahead:

1. It's $100 cheaper. This is basic common sense.
2. It's available in many many more countries. Isn't the number like 60+ versus 13?

There you go. Much shorter, to the point, and without some silly list wars.

There's no problem with that, it's just obvious that the Wii U is going to have more games when the other two just launched and the only reason it would be said is so fans can boast about it before there's nothing left the Wii U has that's better than the brand new consoles.  It's already lost market leader in sales, a year from now it'll be last place in quantity of games.

I'm loving how things are going for the PS4. I'm hoping the other 2 consoles can bounce back but I am very happy the PS4 is prospering. Can't wait to get one!

Actually its one years worth. And if you check their metas (that even cracked the 70 barrier), most were in the 70's, and the 70's gap is over 100 games. Ya. It is mostly due to XBLA and 360/PC games mostly. Sorry to have to tell you that. The list is composed of everything. All PSN games are there too. PS3 still loses.

Lists, I learnedm last gen, don't say things between the lines, or what the consencus was with certain games. Lists won't tell you that Ryse is more bad-ass and has a great story (therefore more memorable) then Knack, despite being almost the same meta. Lists won't tell you that Dead Rising 3 and Forza 5 provide more big-name genre variety then Killzone contributed to PS4. Lists won't say how Titanfall is going to be bigger then Infamous (not sales-wise per se, but just gamer interest/buzz in general).

Glad you agree that big games are the most important, which is why the indie games comment you said doesn't really factor into the equation. Again if it did....360 would be universally known as the gamers console of the 7th gen.

I'm sorry..... the point is that lists just don't work. For anybody. I know this from personal experience. It's about memorable, retail, AAA games.

I don't think that Ryse or Plants vs Zombies are system sellers either.  I also don't think that Dear Rising and Forza swayed any significant number of people away from a PS4 either.

The games are available now are good but not great, so I agree that these are not an asset to either platform.

I think price and value are the biggest reasons the PS4 is doing so well.  The "Most Games" and "Most Exclusives" comments don't mean much at this point.

The XBOne is selling well, so I would argue that it's perception and brand have also carried over from the last generation.  

That actually went a long way to cheer me up.

I knew 360 had a better overall library and that downloadable titles count. Was always brushed aside because a AAA retail exclusive somehow dwarfed them. Now indie games are meaningful and important.

lol thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

zen pinball 2 and tiny brains

Lol. Could have quoted more but I think the topic is sarcastic.