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What do you think about Nintendo's attitude?

Awful, they should fail i... 189 14.04%
 
Pretty Bad, they should l... 385 28.60%
 
Not bad, they're just as anybody else 188 13.97%
 
Good, we need more like them 389 28.90%
 
Excellent, they don't need to change one bit 173 12.85%
 
Total:1,324
Zod95 on 24 February 2014
orniletter said:
0815user said:
thanks for showing the detailed, ugly, factproofen truth behind nintendo. if i wasn't too lazy i would have posted something like this a while ago. again, thank you very much for this. i appreciate the effort you put into this.


Some of the points border on self parody.

Really, really terrible.

Evidence?



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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noname2200 on 24 February 2014
Zod95 said:

 

 

1. Harming gamers

1.1. What Nintendo does with your dollar

It doesn’t take much time to search for graphics and tables on Google images about the profits of the big three and realize that Sony and Microsoft pick your dollar to spend on more games and consoles while Nintendo keeps much (if not most) of it.

1 dollar spent on Sony or Microsoft products means 1 dollar to feed hardware and software developers for the production of more and better games. 1 dollar spent on Nintendo products means a very significant part of it out of the videogaming industry. It’s interesting to realize that the only 100% gaming corporation making consoles nowadays is also the only one taking money away from the gaming cycle.

32B$, that is Nintendo’s “debt” towards gamers as of 2011. 1.2B$ is the Sony’s “debt” as of 2010 but now it must be nothing. With Microsoft, it’s the opposite: gamers have a “debt” of 6.8B$ as of 2011.

Some of you may tell that companies are meant to make profits and thus it’s totally legitimate for Nintendo to make billions at the gamer’s expense. That is true. However, you as a gamer have the power to choose. If there are companies that have been willing to give you as much as you give them, you can opt by them and make the market to operate on this logic. That is also fair.

 

Apologies for this, as the rest of your post may be the most brilliant analysis in the history of internet forums, but I got this far and stopped, as I presume you led with one of your strongest points.

The above is laughably absurd. "Nintendo makes a bigger profit, therefore they must be milking the consumer!" is an accurate summary of the above argument, with no analysis provided to back it. The company wasn't profitable because it provided a cost-effective product which people were willing and able to pay money for, it's profitable because Nintendo is evil enough to turn a profit rather than subsidize unprofitable gaming consoles on the assumption that they can get enough money back later in royalties to make up for it. Moreover, the international corporations known as Microsoft and Sony run such obscene losses not due to incompetence or poor business decisions, but rather because they care about us, the gamers. I know that's true because Kevin Butler told me so.

I'm willing to wager that this whole thread is an elaborate joke, in which case I tip my hat to you sir. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a check to write to Microsoft: gotta pay off my debts, after all!



Rogerioandrade on 24 February 2014

tsc tsc...

TLDR . Seems a long essay about reasons why the videogame press hate Nintendo. Some points are highly questionable, others are based on policies that Nintendo does not apply anymore, others seems reasonable, others seems accurate, others are result of pure personal point-of-view or speculative. That´s all.



cannonballZ on 24 February 2014
kupomogli said:
cannonballZ said:

Oh boy, I'm not going to read the rest of this nonsense. This is basically the authors view, not exactly "The Truth" as the titles says.

"Nintendo was also the company that has contributed the most for game exclusives. Making any title from a 1st party studio to be exclusive, demanding every 3rd party NES game to be exclusive in the 3rd gen, making many of the 5th gen multi-platform to release a “64” version and buying exclusive rights for many games like no other company has done before (maybe, and only maybe Microsoft could have done something similar)."

Actually this is true. 

Sega had to use a loophole to get many third party games on their consoles by porting the games themselves.  That's why there are so many arcade games on the Master System and Genesis. 

It's also the reason many third parties dropped Nintendo as soon as the Playstation started to receive popularity.  It's the reason why Squaresoft didn't develop any games for any Nintendo consoles for around seven to eight years.  It was only after Iwata patched things up with Squaresoft that they started developing for Nintendo again.  Want proof?  Google when Iwata became president of Nintendo and Squaresoft's first GBA game.


I agree, what I also should have put on that post was I don't think this harmed the gamers so much as it harmed Nintendo. They did a lot of things wrong when it comes to 3rd parties. But like I said, it hurt them more than the gamers. We still have the option to buy those great 3rd party games else where. 

 

But yes, I know about Nintendo's history.



Viper1 on 24 February 2014

Wow. I just suddenly feel so lied to.







I was told there would be truth...and received none.


I may actually give a more formal response later.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

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Zod95 on 24 February 2014
cannonballZ said:

You do make some valid points, but you also paint them in a very bad way. And for the most part I feel it's unnecessary to feel like they owe me or that I should despise Nintendo. And I don't see anything wrong with exclusives.

Every one of your paragraphs is titled with painting them in a bad picture, as "harming" gamers. I don't feel that way at all. I do feel they are behind in times, but this entire article is a bit exaggerated. The context of each is the same- Nintendo is harming gamers. And I just don't see it that way. Gamers have a choice whether to buy their products or not. They aren't harming anyone but themselves with their attitude, which I agree is a bit s****y. But to say they are harming gamers is false.

Harming 3rd party? 3rd party also harmed themselves on Nintendo consoles also. Sure Ninty gets most of the blame on that one, but that goes both ways. What you consider "truth" is what I consider opinion. Not all gamers are broke and need to choose between consoles. Most gamers choose which console to get first and get a second console down the line anyway. Of all the friends I have that are gamers, I know of only one that games on one console only and it's not Nintendo. 

1 - I understand your view, and it's a valid one. After all, Nintendo hasn't done anything illegal. As for the way I tell things, every subjective statement of mine is backed up by objective facts. Therefore, my bitter comments are a natural consequence of Nintendo's bitter actions.

2 - That's only point 1. Then you have all the other entities they've also harmed.

3 - That's right, gamers have the choice. And, if they become better informed, they can choose better. Then, this thread is not that useless.

4 - "But to say they are harming gamers is false." - That is just an opinion too. I guess half of the people that read the entire point 1 and agree with that will consider Nintendo is harming gamers.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014

*Skimming over the comments* Its a sad sad day when you realize that the quality of debate on a site like GAF (of all things) is better than that on Vgchartz.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

routsounmanman on 24 February 2014

I dare you to not buy any Nintendo system / game from now on, make them go third party. Then let's see how "damaging" they can be.

TLDR - Be careful what you wish for.



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Dunban67 on 24 February 2014

Then why didn t you just wait to respond?  It s not like you had somethng to say in the above post that was pertinent



DarkD on 24 February 2014
Zod95 said:
DarkD said:
TLDR most of it, glossed over some of it.

He's basically claiming Nintendo has been abusing the gaming industry to make absurd profits at the cost of gamers and developers. It's mostly bullshit. He claims that because Nintendo has a profit margin unlike Sony and Microsoft that they should be ostracized from the gaming industry. Sony would be making money too if their games sold more than a couple million...

Nintendo is the only one who is actually trying to come up with a way of making money off of home consoles in the future. The other two know damn well this will probably be the last generation that this graphics model will work. Why do you think everyone was so convinced DRM was gonna be standard for all the consoles this generation.

Nintendo was really bad in the NES and SNES eras, that's true, but that's how the playstation came into power. Say what you want about Nintendo 20 years ago, but right now Sony and Microsoft are bankrupting developers left and right.

bolded: wrong, I've never claimed such a thing and Nintendo is not the best prepared for the future among the 3 console makers.

underlined: how can you claim such a thing?

You wanna see the big list of bankrupted devs last gen.  It's at something like 50.  Not to mention the ones like David Jaffe who went Free to play and Irrational who went indie.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/12/11/20-studios-we-lost-in-2012

Theres a list of 20 for 2012, who went were disolved into other groups because their games didn't make a profit anymore in todays development environment.  Or various other reasons which can all be traced to massive development costs that are skewering the variety of games that developers can make money off of.  

And how is my statement wrong.  Nintendo is trying to make console development about the depth of gameplay instead of the pixel count in graphics.  You know how much the most expensive games costs these days?  GTAV is the number 1 at 265 million dollars.  Can you imagine if that failed?  If suddenly people just said "I'm tired of GTA".  There are less people who play games on a home console than there were 10 years ago, and our development costs have gone through the roof, how is this not evidence that graphics don't work.