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ToxicJosh said:
If the word 'gay' offends you, why comment on a thread that is clearly going to contain the word?

And homophobia is, today, far more rampant than racism is and in parts of the world still carries a death penalty. Lynch mobs and the holocaust aside, I struggle to think of a single instance where the colour of one's skin carried mandatory life sentences or the death penalty.

You may not agree with people being allowed to choose who and how they love without fear of bigotry and repression; but I ask you to keep those opinions to yourself rather than using offensive and insensitive language in a thread that quite clearly is going to attract the LGBT members of the board, as well as people with an interest in civil rights and liberties.

Oh, here we go.  I'm using offensive language...lol. I knew it was coming...it's all about deference, or running from real-world situations, when it comes to the topic of homosexuality, "Nobody better say nothing non-LBGT about NOTHING!  Or I'll get you banned!"  By your post, *people like me* should only post in "designated areas".  I get it.  I know who I am, there's no confusion about it, the same ol' MonstaTruk.  Do what you will...

Again, nobody EVER should be turned away from their civil liberties based off of creed, race, sex, sexual preference, etc...



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KylieDog said:

Skin colour, gender, disability and age I know are covered by discrimination laws, but what is to stop shop owners turning away someone because "They look like trouble".

That is easy to answer: nothing ;-( 



KylieDog said:
KingEidilleg said:
KylieDog said:

Skin colour, gender, disability and age I know are covered by discrimination laws, but what is to stop shop owners turning away someone because "They look like trouble".

That is easy to answer: nothing ;-( 

So why is this Bill 'needed'.

The only reason I can think of is so the shop owner doesn't have to pretend and can say "I don't want gays in my store" (they'd probably use other words) without having to fear a lawsuit.



DarkWraith said:
MonstaTruk said:

Well look, I already said I don't agree with the bill, it's full of Big-Bodied-Sh*t.  As far as how g*ys live their life, I'm gonna say it like this: if you think it's alright to be g*y, someone dropped the ball, in your development as a child...

 

Now I'll patiently await my banning from a moderator because I'm not a member of LBGT... :-/

I've no interest in the "is gay okay" debate, so I will simply respond in kind. if you think basing your morality on a book written by illiterate peasants 2000 years ago, voted upon by committee, about a magical sky wizard who inseminated a virgin by magic then clearly you were dropped onto your head repeatedly as a child.

;)

Very good...

I'm not religious.  As easy as it is for me to just say I'm Christian, but...I haven't stepped foot in a church pew in years so...I don't really feel comfortable calling myself Christian.  Raised by a "single" mom, dad was to naive to be a father.

What I did realize on this planet from people is that we don't look HONESTLY at ourselves.  We want WHAT WE WANT, or we DON'T WANT it.  NOW.  And if we don't get what we want IMEDIATELY, we cry, complain, scream, whatever.  People that have no idea WHY things are the way they are, traditions are in place...are naive to them.  Like I was.  But I was a student of the game, though.  Sometimes, your elders/forefathers DO know a little something, about why certain customs/traditions are in place, you think?  These rebellious/misguided groups are not just naive in their own little space, but...their CHANGING THINGS.  Things that have been in place since God knows when.  Who am I to say the ones before us are wrong?  Who are YOU?  :-/

Again, withholding civil rights because of sexual preference is BS, and I'm sure it'll get turned around.  Arizona should be ashamed of themselves...



@MonstaTruck:

If you can't see what is derogatory, insulting and offensive about insinuating that gay people are gay because of childhood trauma and bad parenting, then there really is no reasoning with you. I won't point out that you're implying that my terminally ill grandfather raped my gay aunt, or that my hippy uncle and his wife caused their son to be gay through their crazy beliefs of love and acceptance. But I know that understanding how the way in which you express your views may affect other people might be hard for you.

I know it's hard to accept that other people are different and may not have the same imaginary friends as you, or may even think that for an adult to still have an imaginary friend is ridiculous and a clear tell of a substandard IQ. But when you seek out those people in order to tell them that you believe them to have been abused or dropped on their head as a baby, that is not OK.

I apologise for my commentary on your views on civil rights, but you hadn't made that clear when I wrote my post. I'm currently at work so I sometimes have to wait between typing my reply and hitting send. It's also why I can't reply to you directly.



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MonstaTruk said:

I'm not religious.  As easy as it is for me to just say I'm Christian, but...I haven't stepped foot in a church pew in years so...I don't really feel comfortable calling myself Christian.  Raised by a "single" mom, dad was to naive to be a father.

What I did realize on this planet from people is that we don't look HONESTLY at ourselves.  We want WHAT WE WANT, or we DON'T WANT it.  NOW.  And if we don't get what we want IMEDIATELY, we cry, complain, scream, whatever.  People that have no idea WHY things are the way they are, traditions are in place...are naive to them.  Like I was.  But I was a student of the game, though.  Sometimes, your elders/forefathers DO know a little something, about why certain customs/traditions are in place, you think?  These rebellious/misguided groups are not just naive in their own little space, but...their CHANGING THINGS.  Things that have been in place since God knows when.  Who am I to say the ones before us are wrong?  Who are YOU?  :-/

Understanding Humanity is a fascinating thing, it can help us understand all cultures and unite the human race in common goals and endevours, yet you have made the decision, not trough traditional means (aka religion which tells people) that homosexuality is 'wrong'.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly by your statement here but  you are saying sexuality is wrong because of what is in your/our culture. Modern western culture is build on Christianity and it's values, so that is why elders and forefathers thought homosexuality is wrong. Yet go back further, in Roman times, sexuality wasn't so strict, they didn't see it was 'wrong' it was just part of their culture. 

I must admit I'm still a little confused to why you think it is wrong. If you are not religious then why use the cultural teachings of a Christian based society as basis for your view?



Hmm, pie.

@The Fury

But see, that Roman society ALSO had a strong set of rules in place for HIERARCHY, and your role within that community. Yes, homosexuality was commonplace, but do you think it was acceptable for them to be in the Roman Army? Did the women have a CLEAR ROLE? Of course they did...it was a well-oiled machine. Just like any civilization thousands of years ago. But this is the 21st century, let's say U.S. Why do you think (generally) females aren't allowed in the Special Forces? Because the people making the rules are @$$holes? Come on... :-/ As a man, you're going to be put in situations in life where you're going to be asked/required to make VERY STRONG sacrifices. If we're both the *woman*... what is this? I tell you what it is: it's a deference of responsibility. That's all it is. I don't wanna do man-stuff, and women don't wanna do women-stuff...

People use Christianity or other religions as crutches, to give them the STRENGTH or VALIDATION to do/say/act a certain way. I don't need VALIDATION. I don't need ASSURANCE that how I am is RIGHT, and I don't need a FanClub. It was easy for me: follow the path that was laid out for us before we were born. That's it. Stand up, look at the challenge laid before you, and walk towards it. Don't hide, duck, be political, or make excuses. That's my take...



KylieDog said:
KingEidilleg said:
KylieDog said:

Skin colour, gender, disability and age I know are covered by discrimination laws, but what is to stop shop owners turning away someone because "They look like trouble".

That is easy to answer: nothing ;-( 

So why is this Bill 'needed'.

It isn't.  You culd actually just turn someone away and say straight to their face it's because they were gay in most states.

 

That said, as for the above question two quote bubbles up, the answer is pattern.   If you turn away a black guy "Because he looks like trouble" then he gets his relatives an freinds to go,, and they all get turned away for the same thing, you can site a pattern.

If he turns away many different kinds of black people or a large number and nobody else, you can point to the pattern and sue, claiming the reasons he did so were discrimanatory.

For example  the recent barny's incident... if it were the store doing it, they could get the shit sued out of them.  Hence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/barneys-lawyer-no-racial-profiling-_n_4309136.html

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There are bigger issues than who someone loves and where they can go. Another issue the bloated government needs to stay out of. They all should be bitched slapped.



 

Takei is a God.