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badgenome said:
mornelithe said:

It doesn't matter whether it's a coercive action or not

Actually, yes. It does matter when you're saying that it's not an attack on freedom.

I guess I missed the part of the Bill of Rights that said "all men are entitled to a cake from the bakery of their choice".

I'm sorry that you perceive equal rights as an attack on your Freedom.  But, that's simply a fallacy.  By restricting others rights to coincide with your principles, you're not just attacking their freedom, you're continuously putting them in a lower economic, and social place than you are.  That's illegal, by law.  And something the Supreme Court has struck down time and again.

Again, there are plenty of theocracies out there for you, if the USA doesn't follow your beliefs.  But, it's named the United States of America, and not the United States of BadGenome for a reason.



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mornelithe said:

I'm sorry that you perceive equal rights as an attack on your Freedom.  But, that's simply a fallacy.  By restricting others rights to coincide with your principles, you're not just attacking their freedom, you're continuously putting them in a lower economic, and social place than you are.  That's illegal, by law.  And something the Supreme Court has struck down time and again.

Again, there are plenty of theocracies out there for you, if the USA doesn't follow your beliefs.  But, it's named the United States of America, and not the United States of BadGenome for a reason.

I'm sorry that you perceive coerced action as being part and parcel of equal rights and assume that everyone who disagrees with you wants to live in a theocracy. Your absolute confidence in the righteousness of your own worldview and your eagerness to use violence to enforce it is just the sort frightening combination that makes living under a theocracy unappealing to me, and I don't particularly find it to be any less frightening in the absence of a belief in a deity.

As for your assertion that "that's illegal, by law", well, that is as untrue as it is redundant. The Arizona bill was intended to address vagueries in the existing Religious Freedom Restoration Act, but it's already legal to refuse to serve gays in Arizona.



badgenome said:
mornelithe said:

I'm sorry that you perceive equal rights as an attack on your Freedom.  But, that's simply a fallacy.  By restricting others rights to coincide with your principles, you're not just attacking their freedom, you're continuously putting them in a lower economic, and social place than you are.  That's illegal, by law.  And something the Supreme Court has struck down time and again.

Again, there are plenty of theocracies out there for you, if the USA doesn't follow your beliefs.  But, it's named the United States of America, and not the United States of BadGenome for a reason.

I'm sorry that you perceive coerced action as being part and parcel of equal rights and assume that everyone who disagrees with you wants to live in a theocracy. Your absolute confidence in the righteousness of your own worldview and your eagerness to use violence to enforce it is just the sort frightening combination that makes living under a theocracy unappealing to me, and I don't particularly find it to be any less frightening in the absence of a belief in a deity.

As for your assertion that "that's illegal, by law", well, that is as untrue as it is redundant. The Arizona bill was intended to address vagueries in the existing Religious Freedom Restoration Act, but it's already legal to refuse to serve gays in Arizona.

Don't be sorry, see I didn't have to be 'coerced' to treat everyone equally.  That's simply how I grew up.  I'm sorry you weren't given the same upbringing :)

And I never said I advocated violence, I skipped the rest of your BS since you decided to put words in my mouth.



mornelithe said:

Don't be sorry, see I didn't have to be 'coerced' to treat everyone equally.  That's simply how I grew up.  I'm sorry you weren't given the same upbringing :)

And I never said I advocated violence, I skipped the rest of your BS since you decided to put words in my mouth.

Well, of course. You don't have to say that you advocate violence when you are advocating violence. I mean, you do know that laws are backed up by violence, right?

And fair enough. I'll skip all your future posts because you didn't decide to make your previous ones worthwhile.



Since the bill has been veto-ed and the discussion is getting nasty. I'll be locking this thread.



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