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Kasz216 on 26 February 2014
outlawauron said:
I'm curious if this law would actually effect anything or anyone. Outside of the few documented cases we have, like a bakery not wanted to make a wedding cake for a gay couple and thus closing, I don't think your sexuality comes up when you sit down for a lunch.

I'm just getting hypothetical of course, mostly because my experiences tend to differ greatly from VGC.


No.  The wedding cake thing happened in a state where it was illegal to discriminate based on sexual prefrence.



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Kasz216 on 26 February 2014
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
curl-6 said:
Justagamer said:
Pardon my ignorance, but, what is lgbt? I only have one thing I want to say, I don't beleive a law can exist like this in this day and age, love who you want, it has never bothered me. I have a gay cousin, never bothered me. If there is one thing that had bothered me is this: gay parades.... Seriously, they don't need to go and have a parade to proclaim their sexuality! Straight people don't have straight parades. Just my 2 cents... Maybe it's worth only 1 cent, but, it is what it is.... Not trying to be offensive, that's just how I feal about that one thing in particular.....

LGBT = Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transexual

Well, the prefrered term is just trangender or just trans lately.

As trans status doesn't really correlate with sexual preference.

A Trans man may be attracted to men, may be attracted to women.

Additionally the term reinforces gender with biological gender, which are two different things.

 

So Iot of trans people get offended by everything.

I don't really want to be too insensitive here, but isn't that really the MO? 


Eh, I can see how you could draw paralel's between transexual and colored honestly.

It was terminology created by people at the time who didn't really get what trans was.  Looking at it from a purely binary persepctive.



NintendoPie on 26 February 2014
ToxicJosh said:

This thread = why Europeans hate 'Murica


moderaed Kasz216

He was only given a warning for this?

OT: I knew this thread would turn into a hell hole quick. It's nice to know that the Arizona Governor made the right decision in the end. It might've been interesting to see how Arizona would've turned out had she not, though. 



outlawauron on 26 February 2014
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
I'm curious if this law would actually effect anything or anyone. Outside of the few documented cases we have, like a bakery not wanted to make a wedding cake for a gay couple and thus closing, I don't think your sexuality comes up when you sit down for a lunch.

I'm just getting hypothetical of course, mostly because my experiences tend to differ greatly from VGC.


No.  The wedding cake thing happened in a state where it was illegal to discriminate based on sexual prefrence.

Really? I must have mis-read the story, because I thought he had to fulfill the order or close the business and he choose closure.



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curl-6 on 26 February 2014
gergroy said:
vetoed!
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/politics/arizona-brewer-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Good.
Another victory in the war against bigotry.



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Tigerlure on 27 February 2014

Can't believe the Bill got as far as it did. Terrible for Arizona.



Kasz216 on 27 February 2014
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
I'm curious if this law would actually effect anything or anyone. Outside of the few documented cases we have, like a bakery not wanted to make a wedding cake for a gay couple and thus closing, I don't think your sexuality comes up when you sit down for a lunch.

I'm just getting hypothetical of course, mostly because my experiences tend to differ greatly from VGC.


No.  The wedding cake thing happened in a state where it was illegal to discriminate based on sexual prefrence.

Really? I must have mis-read the story, because I thought he had to fulfill the order or close the business and he choose closure.


I mean, that happened, but it happened in Oregon, which specifically has this in it's legal code.

 

  Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation, without any distinction, discrimination or restriction on account of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or age if the individual is 18 years of age or older.

http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/659A.403

 

Wheras Arizona's accomodation laws....

Public Accommodation Discrimination

The following Categories are protected:

  • Race
  • Color
  • National Origin/Ancestry
  • Sex
  • Religion/Creed
  • Physical/Mental disability

https://www.azag.gov/discrimination/public-accommodation-discrimination

 

So people will cheer, and be happy and be self satisified and proud of themselves and pat each other on the back, being happy they turned back the huns.   In reality however... despite the law not being passed.  It's still enforced, because the law was redundant.  



Kane1389 on 27 February 2014
curl-6 said:
Kane1389 said:

You really are amazing. I simply adore how you single out blacks to make me appear racist and a bad person.

No, but seriously, can your strawman sink any lower?

Hey,  you're the one who outed yourself as a bad person by making the comment in the first place. You flat said you would support such a bill.

Well, at least I dont support slavery like you do. I mean, what kind of a human being supports slavery? What is the matter with you?



badgenome on 27 February 2014
Kasz216 said:

So basically what this tells us is....

 

Tim cook is a much nicer guy then Steve Jobs, who only wanted to take up for peoples rights when it wouldn't cost him any money.

So I guess corporate speech is a Good Thing™ this week? It's so hard to keep track!



Kane1389 on 27 February 2014
Tom3k said:
Kane1389 said:

This is nothing like segregation or jim crow, where institutions and people were forced by the goverment to discriminate against people. This law simply gives buisness owners  the freedome to deny service to someone they dont want have any buisness with. 

And you can fight ''bigotry and discrimination'' on an a federal level, but not on a private level. People should be allowed to have whatever beliefs they want, regardless of how you precieve them

Really? Nothing like segregation? If you're God fearing Christian it's against your religious belief to serve single mothers, divorced people, atheists, agnostics, muslims, jews, pagans, mormons... not just LGBT people. And do you really think that a business owner can afford to express his religious belief and deny sevices to all people against whom Bible has something to say. Of course not. They'll only hate on gays, because it's the most convenient. Like always good Christian hypocrisy.

If people dont want to serve those people and not make any money - they should be able to !!!! Nowhere does it even mention gays or any group of people, it doesnt even mention Christians!! It gives freedom to people to do buisness with whomever they want to. You and your kind just like to play the victim card while attacking Christians as usual (as if they are the worst offenders when it comes this kind of stuff. Try that shit in Iran and see how you'll end up)

People are allowed to believe in whatever nonsense they want to believe. That's their PRIVATE right, and that right should stay there and be PRIVATE. Your freedom, doesn't give you right to reduce my FREEDOM.

No one is attacking your freedom by denying you service at their own restaurant. The private buisness owneer can practice his private right in his private establishment. You are not required to be his customer.

That's the fundamental difference that bigots like yourself don't understand. 

Whats funny is that you are actually  the biggot here :)