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ToxicJosh said:

This thread = why Europeans hate 'Murica

Only in your backwards ass country would widespread discrimination be justified in terms of 'freedom' and 'rights'. Religions and religious people do not deserve special treatment any more than the crazy people who believe in alien abductions or the Loch Ness monster.

Sorry to break it to you; but if you believe in a god, you are retarded. I mean, seriously? A magic man in the sky? Grow up.

Teaching a child to believe in a god is abuse. Yes; I am saying that if your parents took you to church (or a mosque/temple/synagogue) then they abused you.

The world is changing, people outside of your small town bigotville understand that people are different, and that to judge and discriminate against people is wrong. Everyone here arguing in favour of 'liberty' are literally trying to use a buzz word in order to disguise the fact that they are bigoted hate mongers.

As a European it's actually embarrassing. It's like seeing your child fail the entrance exam to a special school.

But to any Christians reading this and getting angry at having to pull out their dictionary; WWJD?

Forgive me.

moderaed Kasz216

I Agree with this, kid should never be forced to learn religion, this should be a choice at 16y or later.

I learned the bible for over 3 years, and i don't see how they  can trust this, so many error, forged, and go on.

But i don't say there is no god, the probability is just very very low to me.

My girlfriend have a son who is homosexual, she trust in god, and have no problem with this or me who not trust in god, you just need to learn how to tolerate thing around you, and not make this personal.



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Zappykins said:
Kane1389 said:
As a person whp believes in free market as well in freedom to serve whoever you want, I fully support this bill. It stops the manipulative fascist LGBT lobby from suing and closing down small businesses.

Please do tell me about this Manipulative Fascist LGBT Loby!

He's already said he would support a bill that allowed denial to service to African Americans, that should tell us all we need to know about what kind of person he is.

I said I would be OK with a bill that allowed denial to service anyone because of anything as long as its private buisness. But I guess that part didnt fit your tunnel vision so you left it out

You just confirmed what I said. You would be okay with businesses being able to turn away blacks for being black.

You really are amazing. I simply adore how you single out blacks to make me appear racist and a bad person.

No, but seriously, can your strawman sink any lower?


They are just going to attack you. Don't bother. I never saw you say anthing about supporting a bill that turned blacks away for being black. That's just them manipulating things to their advantage.



My respect for Apple just went up a whole lot: http://business.time.com/2014/02/25/how-apple-went-to-war-over-arizona-anti-gay-bill/

It's really nice to see them take a stand against this state-sanctioned discrimination law.



Signature goes here!

I need to see the bill to comment. Does anyone know where to read it?



"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen"  ~ max

Saeko said:
ToxicJosh said:

This thread = why Europeans hate 'Murica

Only in your backwards ass country would widespread discrimination be justified in terms of 'freedom' and 'rights'. Religions and religious people do not deserve special treatment any more than the crazy people who believe in alien abductions or the Loch Ness monster.

Sorry to break it to you; but if you believe in a god, you are retarded. I mean, seriously? A magic man in the sky? Grow up.

Teaching a child to believe in a god is abuse. Yes; I am saying that if your parents took you to church (or a mosque/temple/synagogue) then they abused you.

The world is changing, people outside of your small town bigotville understand that people are different, and that to judge and discriminate against people is wrong. Everyone here arguing in favour of 'liberty' are literally trying to use a buzz word in order to disguise the fact that they are bigoted hate mongers.

As a European it's actually embarrassing. It's like seeing your child fail the entrance exam to a special school.

But to any Christians reading this and getting angry at having to pull out their dictionary; WWJD?

Forgive me.

moderaed Kasz216

I Agree with this, kid should never be forced to learn religion, this should be a choice at 16y or later.

I learned the bible for over 3 years, and i don't see how they  can trust this, so many error, forged, and go on.

But i don't say there is no god, the probability is just very very low to me.

My girlfriend have a son who is homosexual, she trust in god, and have no problem with this or me who not trust in god, you just need to learn how to tolerate thing around you, and not make this personal.

Note didn't read who you were responding to but will take what you said as face value.

"I Agree with this, kid should never be forced to learn religion, this should be a choice at 16y or later."

Funny how you said we shouldn't force religion(don't even know what you mean by that) on your own children. Basically, you are saying we shouldn't let parents teach there children something you deem relevant. Hello, Stalin nation!

Christianity for many people and the advancement western morality was based on the bible. Anyone who disagrees is ignorant of history of ethics of western world. 

"I learned the bible for over 3 years, and i don't see how they  can trust this, so many error, forged, and go on"

No offense but did you read the bible with scholarly help or just as fundamentalist(reading with no understanding of the world at that time). Something tells me the latter. Many of those errors come from people reading the bible like a simplistic child. What I mean by that is doing no research or critical thinking. Forged argument is based on no facts because we have scholars that can tell you who are atheist and christian that the bible we have today is 99% accurate to original text.We have hundreds of manuscripts. I can already tell you have no clue on what your talking about professionally and only riding slogan you heard. Next your going to tell me Jesus never existed.

But i don't say there is no god, the probability is just very very low to me."

You are entitled to your unfounded assertions based on nothing.

"My girlfriend have a son who is homosexual, she trust in god, and have no problem with this or me who not trust in god, you just need to learn how to tolerate thing around you, and not make this personal."

What argument is this? So, if I accepted my brother was into incest does that mean you will tolerate it? No. People have different standards for things and it seems you really have none if you think that's a vaild argument. I could use that same argument to justify any action.

Second, you contradicted yourself when you talk about tolerance when you said earlier you wanted others to be forced to what you believe. Remember "parents shouldn't teach them them religion until 16 years old." That sounded real tolerant of religious people. Some would say that sounded very 'bigot' like. Tell people have to take care of there own children and what morality they want to teach them. Sounds like you just want to control anyone who isn't atheist. What if I said the same that parents shouldn't teach there children to be atheist because I personally feel it's dangarous? I would be called a bigot.

Third of all you give no reason why your own standards are better than Christianity. You just assert that it's worst. Tell me why on atheism morality isn't just something that is completely subjective. If it is subjective than why are you upset since everything relative. It's real easy to give critism towards Christianity standards when you have none.

 

 

Sorry for double post you can merge the two mods.



"Excuse me sir, I see you have a weapon. Why don't you put it down and let's settle this like gentlemen"  ~ max

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Justagamer said:
Pardon my ignorance, but, what is lgbt? I only have one thing I want to say, I don't beleive a law can exist like this in this day and age, love who you want, it has never bothered me. I have a gay cousin, never bothered me. If there is one thing that had bothered me is this: gay parades.... Seriously, they don't need to go and have a parade to proclaim their sexuality! Straight people don't have straight parades. Just my 2 cents... Maybe it's worth only 1 cent, but, it is what it is.... Not trying to be offensive, that's just how I feal about that one thing in particular.....


I'm a gay man and I don't like most gay parades. I find the people there too vulgar from the pictures I've seen (both from the media and from gay friends from fb). I went once to a parade and didn't like the people there either. Too much nudity and over the top acts. 

The idea of a parade though is not bad. The parade is supposed to raise awareness. It's supposed to encourage people, primarily young kids/teenagers to be ok with who they are. There's still oppression of gays especially at school, while no one gets beaten up for saying they're straight. A straight parade would make no sense, since they have no rights to fight for. They don't experience violence or discrimination for being straight (maybe for being fat, nerdy, not clever etc, but not straight). They're not supposed to go and proclaim their sexuality, but to show to the world that they don't think that they have anything to be ashamed of. Needless to say, you're not offensive at all. I get why people don't like or understand them. 



ninetailschris said:

 

No offense but did you read the bible with scholarly help or just as fundamentalist(reading with no understanding of the world at that time). Something tells me the latter. Many of those errors come from people reading the bible like a simplistic child. What I mean by that is doing no research or critical thinking. Forged argument is based on no facts because we have scholars that can tell you who are atheist and christian that the bible we have today is 99% accurate to original text.We have hundreds of manuscripts. I can already tell you have no clue on what your talking about professionally and only riding slogan you heard. Next your going to tell me Jesus never existed.


Just want reply to this, because my english is far from good and i may make ppl missunderstand me, i can read english perfectly but cant write this well (its why i have so few post with many years here ^^)

 But i said i learned the bible i don't have said i have read only this, this was with a teacher.

but i can list you 100more error if you wanna and some can be read only with bible.  Like judas who have 2 different death one in acte and one in matt, unless him have resurect and died 2time its just impossible, so who lie ? act or matt ? etc etc

And bible is said as divine inspiration, so there can't be error, or god make error.





double post. 

Though I wanna add, that Apple just got a lot of respect from me. 



Somebody call the WHAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE......oh no imagine that, a state is RESTORING THE FREEDOM to businesses to serve who they want.

Okay I haven't read the bill, so I can only go by what was said in this article. But if all this bill does is allow business owners to discriminate AS THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO...then I have no problem with it.

Okay so say you're a gay guy visiting Arizona. You try to stop in at Restaurant A for a nice dinner but they refuse you service...then tell them to go fuck themselves, and go across the street to Restaurant B, or down the road to Restaurant C....whichever one will serve gays, and give that non-homophobic restaurant owner your money instead!!!

Look, I don't support discrimination or hate. But what I do support is RIGHTS and FREEDOMS of business owners. If they want to be a douchebag and refuse service based on personal hate then so be it....and watch as your business gets negative press, loses reputation, loses customers, and hopefully go out of business. This new bill is actually a good thing for gays, it'll help put homophobic businesses out of practice.



Saeko said:
ninetailschris said:

 

No offense but did you read the bible with scholarly help or just as fundamentalist(reading with no understanding of the world at that time). Something tells me the latter. Many of those errors come from people reading the bible like a simplistic child. What I mean by that is doing no research or critical thinking. Forged argument is based on no facts because we have scholars that can tell you who are atheist and christian that the bible we have today is 99% accurate to original text.We have hundreds of manuscripts. I can already tell you have no clue on what your talking about professionally and only riding slogan you heard. Next your going to tell me Jesus never existed.


Just want reply to this, because my english is far from good and i may make ppl missunderstand me, i can read english perfectly but cant write this well (its why i have so few post with many years here ^^)

 But i said i learned the bible i don't have said i have read only this, this was with a teacher.

but i can list you 100more error if you wanna and some can be read only with bible.  Like judas who have 2 different death one in acte and one in matt, unless him have resurect and died 2time its just impossible, so who lie ? act or matt ? etc etc

And bible is said as divine inspiration, so there can't be error, or god make error.




Just wanted to say this to you. You are way off man! Your English is quite excellent, and should never refrain from posting because of errors! There are people whose use of English are far worse than yours, and it's their first language! Now, about the bible, I've never read it, so have nothing to add to that subject......