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forevercloud3000 said:
RenCutypoison said:
gergroy said:


Why?  I have played vi and x and I thought vii was the best final fantasy ever made...

You are the exact reason why i would be disappointed. Even more than a decade later, the game is still overhyped and overrated. It is not, objectively, the best final fantasy ever made. Every Final Fantasy was directed with the same greatness, VII is just the one that suits the most your tastes.

VII like any Final Fantasy had flaws, like a storyline with a lot of fake twists, and I didn't find the protagonist in any way interesting. And the post game grinding was boring too.


Are you trying to say that FF games cannot be ranked? because I think they can objectively in a few things. I don't see the issue with guaging fan reception + sales as a reasonable means of quantifying each entry's popularity.

FFVII and X are the two highest selling(# of units) in the series, both highly rated. They have their issues such as translation flubs but over all they are seen as the creme of the crop. 

FFVIII is almost unversally panned as one of if not the WORST FF game, FFXIII is very close to it. They both have broken combat and leveling systems and are reviewed much lower than avg FF game. Sales wise they are competent but not as high as VII and X.

VI and IV are regarded very highly by fans but they don't really come close to sales of PS1 era FFs.Frequently are in top 10 jrpg lists.

With this info you can visibly see FFVII, X, VI and IV are of the better ones, leaving the rest to fight for the bottom. VII has the most fans(proven by sales) so yes, it is the defacto "most popular" FF game.

Of course they can be ranked, but with a high level of subjectivity. You say FFXIII has broken combat, to me it's one of the best gameplay I saw in a modern RPG. It is fluid and challenging even against mobs, you can't just go and press the attack command while doing something else against mobs. The leveling system was interesting and permitted a nice customization, depending on your playstyle. I hated FFVIII tough.

But any post IV FF have some common ground : 

Great OST (anyone saying One winged Angel never listened to Dancing Mad <3 (half joke))

Great design, especially on monsters and environement, while character design is subjective (I hate both amano and Yoshida, while I am a big fan of Nomura's work)

The game revolves around a good/great storyline in a complex universe, with elements of both Scifi and Fantasy (And some prefers the emphasis on fantasy (X), or scifi (XIII) )

Big budget and impressive tech in their time (FFVII = 3D, X = facial animation, ...)

So despite everyone having preferences, these game have a lot in common and the same staff behind them, wich makes them all at least good, objectively.

 

And popularity has nothing to do with being a great game or not. Most FFVII popularity came from the fact it was the first big 3D RPG. Impressive tech can sell a meh game.

A good example would be Rayman Legends. It is objectively better than Origins : Same gameplay, design but better Res, animations, and above all content. It didn't prevent Legends from a big fat flop, due to bad advertising and bad release date.



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Nem said:
Spedfrom said:
I hope it's not happening. The medium needs to go forward, not have millions of dollars thrown at a plot, characters and gameplay systems that were created 15 years ago, just to update them.


That is hilarious. How did moving towards FFXIII felt like an improvement to you? RPG's on the PSOne era were leaps and bounds better than what we have today. The best way to move back towards that excellence is to revisit what made them great in the first place. Its not just to make the next poop game that pops to mind.


Nostalgia googles. Even for the time PS1 era FFs had shitty in game graphics, VIII had a bad gameplay, VII had a simplistic storyline with fake twist directly directed at tweens, IX had terrible load time for battles (That was horrible), endless grinding postgame, ...

Character design improved with time, OST are still as great as VI was, Monster design as improved, Gameplay is now really active (You don't have half an hour to think about what you will do next (For example in VII -> X I know beforehand how I will handle the next 30 minutes of random encounters) ).

Pre PS1 Era already had what made PS1 era great, except 3D and cutscenes to impress kids. Just saying.



I do think something VII related will be released in 2017 for its 20th anniversary. Not the remake per say, but maybe the sequel to Dirge. The ending to that game leaves room for more in the VII universe.



Mirson said:

I do think something VII related will be released in 2017 for its 20th anniversary. Not the remake per say, but maybe the sequel to Dirge. The iending to that game leaves room for more in the VII universe.

I'd hope not, even that game 'ruined' the ending of FFVII, secret ending (or what I presumed was a result from using Holy) should have happened.

 

 

On subject, any remake would be bad, voices, 3rd person movement, non-japanese character design, I can see it all happening.



Hmm, pie.

Yes.....for mobile platforms. 30$ + microtransactions for Materia



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Metrium said:
I'd love to see this game receive the OoT treatment on 3DS. I don't understand why ppl want a HD remake tho, for that game to be worth it in HD, everything needs to be remade, would barely add anything and would feel like a huge waste of menpower imo.

I actually wouldn't mind this either. I still haven't gotten to play FF VII, and I imagine it could be made to look pretty good on the 3DS if the games I've played so far are any indication.

Edit: That said, I do get why people would prefer it on a console. Ignoring the HD aspect for a moment, the feeling of playing on the big screen versus a handheld is always al ittle different, and for a game that started out for a home console, shrinking it down (physically, anyway) to the 3DS screen might seem like a slap in the face. Mind you, I love handheld gaming, so it wouldn't bother me, but I think it's worth mentioning. 



Hmm

Justagamer said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
Wright said:

Xbox One exclusive, to compensate for FF X exclusivity.


LOL that would be the biggest slap to the face to PS fans. They waited all this time for a remake only for it to come on a console that never even had it in the first place.

 

OT: I won't believe it until I see it. There's always someone saying it is happening but it's never developed any further than rumours.


I find it funny when people say this... Final fantasy 1-6 were exclusive to Nintendo consoles, and I never found it to be a slap in the face to that fan base.... It's a game, made by a third party on a machine from 15 years ago.... If people can't grasp the concept of a company needing to make money and release games that "were never released on that console", because if ms got it exclusively(which I doubt) they would have paid for it, big. Something tells me Sony fans would cry foul even if it simply was on both. Gimme a break... (And I'm not saying this directly to you)


Well if MS did get exclusivity I think everyone would be questioning if they want to lose money, how much MS paid them and/or if they care about their reputation at all. As for if it was on both consoles, I wouldn't frankly care as long as I don't have to buy another system to play it and they don't sacrifice any quality of the game bringing it to two consoles instead of one. I don't know how many people cried foul when it was said that KHIII was announced for XOne and PS4 but I always believed that the few ignorant cry the loudest. It doesn't mean that the whole fanbase believes it.



Justagamer said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
Wright said:

Xbox One exclusive, to compensate for FF X exclusivity.


LOL that would be the biggest slap to the face to PS fans. They waited all this time for a remake only for it to come on a console that never even had it in the first place.

 

OT: I won't believe it until I see it. There's always someone saying it is happening but it's never developed any further than rumours.


I find it funny when people say this... Final fantasy 1-6 were exclusive to Nintendo consoles, and I never found it to be a slap in the face to that fan base.... It's a game, made by a third party on a machine from 15 years ago.... If people can't grasp the concept of a company needing to make money and release games that "were never released on that console", because if ms got it exclusively(which I doubt) they would have paid for it, big. Something tells me Sony fans would cry foul even if it simply was on both. Gimme a break... (And I'm not saying this directly to you)

Well, that's a slightly different situation than what we have here.  It wasn't that Sony paid for the exclusivity, it was that Nintendo abandoned the Super Famicom CD Rom joint venture between themselves, Sony and Phillips.  They decided that they were going with the cartridge solution again with the N64, and Square wanted the CD Rom solution, because it provided them more room to work with.  That, I can kinda understand, if the game you're envisioning can't be done on cartridge, you gotta find another option.



RenCutypoison said:
Nem said:
Spedfrom said:
I hope it's not happening. The medium needs to go forward, not have millions of dollars thrown at a plot, characters and gameplay systems that were created 15 years ago, just to update them.


That is hilarious. How did moving towards FFXIII felt like an improvement to you? RPG's on the PSOne era were leaps and bounds better than what we have today. The best way to move back towards that excellence is to revisit what made them great in the first place. Its not just to make the next poop game that pops to mind.


Nostalgia googles. Even for the time PS1 era FFs had shitty in game graphics, VIII had a bad gameplay, VII had a simplistic storyline with fake twist directly directed at tweens, IX had terrible load time for battles (That was horrible), endless grinding postgame, ...

Character design improved with time, OST are still as great as VI was, Monster design as improved, Gameplay is now really active (You don't have half an hour to think about what you will do next (For example in VII -> X I know beforehand how I will handle the next 30 minutes of random encounters) ).

Pre PS1 Era already had what made PS1 era great, except 3D and cutscenes to impress kids. Just saying.


Its not nostalgia at all. Its completely logic. Due to 3D assets beeing more costly to develop with the coming gens alot of parts from JRPG's have been cut. The interactive world maps, the number of locations, the ammount of events and storyline (due to voice acting).

Most series have disappeared or declined cause they lost their quality. The persona series is the exception and while the Tales series perseveres its also falling prey to some of those pitfalls.

Now for details, I agree that FFVIII had crappy gameplay at the time (i hated the draw system) but after seeing XIII it somehow doesnt seem as bad at it was. VII definitly does not have a simplistic storyline. I dunno what you are on about. I find most soundtracks are not nearly as memorable as they used to be. Again, only Persona pops to mind as the exception.

As for character desing, its debatable since its up to personal taste. I have no complaints in that department.



leyendax69 said:
Damn, when people will stop with this shit... leave FF7 alone. Square, better this is not true, or I don't give a crap about FFXV in that case.

You didn't know? Sqaure Enix doesn't care about anyone anymore.

They do what they want, when they want.