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Kongfucius on 22 February 2014
OttoniBastos said:
arcane_chaos said:
No, there is no one game that suddenly lifts a console and then sustains that sia rise in hardware sales. no doubt Halo will have a big week for both software and hardware, but it won't be what keeps the XB1 afloat if sad turn-around happens

Monster hunter for 3ds? Pokemon X Y?

3DS has a cocktail of console selling games - on their own Pokemon, MH, Mario Kart, NSMB, Dragon Quest would not propel 43m sales and counting, but together their effect is huge, if anything they probably magnify each other's selling capability, as in someone who goes "wow, Pokemon!" would find it far more difficult to pay ~£130 (price of a 2DS and the game) to play just one title, than someone who goes "wow, Pokemon! And it's got Mario/Luigi's Mansion/Monster Hunter/Dragon Quest/Zelda/Kingdom Hearts as well!" because its more coss effective in terms of the gaming it provides

WiiU is a good demonstration - it has good games, but not enough to get people buying it - you need more than one or two big games to make a successful platform



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Slimebeast on 22 February 2014
kowenicki said:
Slimebeast said:
kowenicki said:
Slimebeast said:
No. Honestly by the time Halo 5 is coming out that series will be nearly obsolete.

Xbone is in huge trouble and you will see a big change soon. Remember you read it here first.

you and your constant halo is dying nonsense.

you keep saying it and you keep being wrong.

 

you said for Halo 4 2012 sales:

Slimebeast on 05 November 2012

 

No chance.

6 million is possible but that's the limit.

 

Reality : it did 7.5m

 

You said regarding lifetime sales

Slimebeast on 05 November 2012

 

I've said numerous times that Halo is on a decline. I predicted a 91% Meta. I've said the competition from COD is too fierce.

And I've said that Halo 4 has no chance to sell over 10 million copies lifetime. I stand by that.

 

Reality : Will cross 10m soon and in less time than all previous Halo's

Good digging Kow.

Perhaps overtracked?

But I have one metric that supports my theory, and it's online match activitiy that has dropped to rock bottum for Halo 4.

Honestly, in your heart Kow, don't you too feel that Halo has become somewhat irrelevant compared to the past?

I'll be kind

Using the word irrelevant in the same sentence as Halo is rather silly.

But I was kind too and used "somewhat" in the sentence. You know what I meant. Comment?



greenmedic88 on 22 February 2014
MoHasanie said:
Salnax said:
On one hand, I think that Halo hit its high point 2007. Halo 4 sold quite a bit less than 3 and Reach, despite 2 outselling the original. I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 5 only sold about 7 million copies lifetime, less than any main game since the original.

That said, does the One need saving? Halo will definately help the system, Titanfall can be a killer app, and we are still waiting for the first real round of "casual" Kinect games that are almost certain to be in the works. These ought to keep the One at healthy levels. Not to mention the console is still yet to be released in much of the world. North America might be the core of Xboxland, but 35 million 360's were sold elsewhere.

I personally expect the Xbone to reach stable and healthy levels around the release of Titanfall, in less than a month.

Yes but Halo 4 sold faster than both 3 and Reach. In the same period of time, Halo 4 sold the most. So the franshise isn't showing any signs of decline. 

It also sold to the highest installed userbase.

That's the only potential rub for Halo 5. 

This is not to say that it won't rack up 10m lifetime units sold, but if it opens to an installed userbase of say 5 million, which is an extreme lowball, pessimistic guestimate of where the XB1 will be by release, anyone who thinks Halo 5 is going to sell another 5 million hardware units really needs to take a step back and rejoin reality.  



zorg1000 on 22 February 2014
OttoniBastos said:
arcane_chaos said:
No, there is no one game that suddenly lifts a console and then sustains that sia rise in hardware sales. no doubt Halo will have a big week for both software and hardware, but it won't be what keeps the XB1 afloat if sad turn-around happens

Monster hunter for 3ds? Pokemon X Y?

Monster Hunter 3G released around the same time as a price cut, Mario Kart and 3D Land.

Pokemon X/Y and Monster Hunter 4 released when 3DS already had 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil Revelations, Ocarina of Time 3D, Star Fox 64 3D, Nintendogs+Cats, DKC Returns 3D, Dragon Quest VII, Dragon Quest Monsters, Tomadachi, Mario & Luigi, Kingdom Hearts 3D, and a whole bunch more.

There was no single game that suddenly helped 3DS, it was a combination of affordable price plus consistant schedule of quality software.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Kongfucius on 22 February 2014
zorg1000 said:
OttoniBastos said:
arcane_chaos said:
No, there is no one game that suddenly lifts a console and then sustains that sia rise in hardware sales. no doubt Halo will have a big week for both software and hardware, but it won't be what keeps the XB1 afloat if sad turn-around happens

Monster hunter for 3ds? Pokemon X Y?

Monster Hunter 3G released around the same time as a price cut, Mario Kart and 3D Land.

Pokemon X/Y and Monster Hunter 4 released when 3DS already had 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil Revelations, Ocarina of Time 3D, Star Fox 64 3D, Nintendogs+Cats, DKC Returns 3D, Dragon Quest VII, Dragon Quest Monsters, Tomadachi, Mario & Luigi, Kingdom Hearts 3D, and a whole bunch more.

There was no single game that suddenly helped 3DS, it was a combination of affordable price plus consistant schedule of quality software.


This... So very much this.



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Sardauk on 22 February 2014
DarkD said:
Doesn't stand a chance. Microsoft doesn't have an entry point into the market really. They should have exited this generation. Instead they went all in on Kinect... That was Microsofts ray of hope, but do any of you really think the Kinect has or will save the XBox division? Halo will increase sales, but it isn't saving anything. Microsoft is just trying to recoup their losses this generation before exiting next gen. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point.


It doesn't make sense...



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

Slimebeast on 22 February 2014
DarkD said:
Doesn't stand a chance. Microsoft doesn't have an entry point into the market really. They should have exited this generation. Instead they went all in on Kinect... That was Microsofts ray of hope, but do any of you really think the Kinect has or will save the XBox division? Halo will increase sales, but it isn't saving anything. Microsoft is just trying to recoup their losses this generation before exiting next gen. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point.

Agree. ALl numbers suggest it is game over for Xbone and I believe Microsft has realized this and are heavily at work to get rid of the Xbox brand (and smartphones and tablets).

Most likely we will see Xbox being sold or terminated in 2014 but it could also slip to 2015 since these decisions take time.

Remember you heard it here first.



zorg1000 on 22 February 2014
Kongfucius said:
zorg1000 said:
OttoniBastos said:
arcane_chaos said:
No, there is no one game that suddenly lifts a console and then sustains that sia rise in hardware sales. no doubt Halo will have a big week for both software and hardware, but it won't be what keeps the XB1 afloat if sad turn-around happens

Monster hunter for 3ds? Pokemon X Y?

Monster Hunter 3G released around the same time as a price cut, Mario Kart and 3D Land.

Pokemon X/Y and Monster Hunter 4 released when 3DS already had 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, Kid Icarus, Resident Evil Revelations, Ocarina of Time 3D, Star Fox 64 3D, Nintendogs+Cats, DKC Returns 3D, Dragon Quest VII, Dragon Quest Monsters, Tomadachi, Mario & Luigi, Kingdom Hearts 3D, and a whole bunch more.

There was no single game that suddenly helped 3DS, it was a combination of affordable price plus consistant schedule of quality software.


This... So very much this.

I just saw u gave him pretty much the same answer, great minds think alike

But ya I dont get why some think the majority of people buy a system for 1-2 specific games. Halo is certainly a big franchise and will push consoles but if u look, 360 sold over 50m more than Xbox yet Halo only saw a 3m increase. That shows Halo doesnt need a huge install base in order to sell extremely well.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Sardauk on 22 February 2014
Slimebeast said:
DarkD said:
Doesn't stand a chance. Microsoft doesn't have an entry point into the market really. They should have exited this generation. Instead they went all in on Kinect... That was Microsofts ray of hope, but do any of you really think the Kinect has or will save the XBox division? Halo will increase sales, but it isn't saving anything. Microsoft is just trying to recoup their losses this generation before exiting next gen. It's pretty much a guarantee at this point.

Agree. ALl numbers suggest it is game over for Xbone and I believe Microsft has realized this and are heavily at work to get rid of the Xbox brand (and smartphones and tablets).

Most likely we will see Xbox being sold or terminated in 2014 but it could also slip to 2015 since these decisions take time.

Remember you heard it here first.


Ok so game over for Microsoft ?

Because getting rid of videogames, smartphones and tablets doesn't leave a lot of products to sell...



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

poklane on 22 February 2014

Halo wont save the console itself, not one exclusive can do that.