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S.T.A.G.E. on 18 February 2014
dane007 said:
@STAGE well it depends. for need for speed it helps alot for accessing GPS. You can't pause the game and acess the gps t find the nearest safe house while being chase by cops. if you pause teh game you will be busted. In thatsesne the kinect is useful and handy. You do know that sony was planning to bundle their PS eye with teh ps4,, hence the design of teh ps4 controller .. The light at the back of the controller,, is an indication to what they had originally in mind. If MS PR didn't screw it up both companies would have released ,, so really sony is not providing any choice. In fact sony is less confident since they back out with bundling their ps eye with the machine while MS stuck with it. How is it shady? MS is trying to do different while sony is just doing same thing every gen by jsut releasing a more powerful console. Afterall consoles are no longer jsut for playing games. What i am saying is that its good to try and create something different and add variety to gaming . Theres no harm it that right? Days of just playing games with yoru consoles is getting less and less . it won't die out but peopel nowadays use their consoles for a variety of reasons apart from gaming. When trying to innovate something ,, you won't be successful straight away,,, it takes time. Kinect may not be of use at this moment but in the long run,, if MS sticks with it,, who knows the potential it could have as kinect 2.0 is a powerful device. At least MS sticking with it and supporting it as much as they an . i wish i coudl say the same for psvita .

This arugment  at its core comes down to these two things. We're not arguing the subjective here (or at least I'm not) 

1. Is the Kinect a primary device?

2. Does it NEED to be bundled.

As per you statment about Sony not giving choice here is a third question.

3. If Sony wasnt about giving people choice, why didn't they force bundle the PS4 with the Eyetoy?



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S.T.A.G.E. on 18 February 2014
Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Zappykins said:
What a silly article. True, they do need more Kinect games, but that will come with time.

It reminds me of the people that were against building subways in New York City or against making The Grand Canyon a National Park. People with limited imaginations and uninteresting lives shouldn't waste their time telling others why something great will not work. They are always there though.


Nothing will change outside of the secondary use. Nothing a tablet couldnt cure, really better than the Kinect for outside advantages in games. Sony said it themselves, the primary function of the Eyetoy (which is essentially the same as the Kinect) is extremely limited and will lead to nothing but mini-games. Unless they add a peripheral device to the Kinect there will be no depth to what you're already seeing. Its basically the same Kinect, but more powerful. The recognition is better sure, but in the end the only game that will truly use it properly is Dance Central.

In times like these i'd take the advice of the oompany that has been internally creating the same tech for over almost fifteen years over a company who took sloppy seconds and after the first failed attempt is so headstrong they wont accept that it isn't as strong as useful in a primary sense as they wish it was.

The difference between MS and Sony in dealing with this issue is Sony saw that the motion control tech stand-alone with the camera, no matter how powerful is still limited. They knew this from 2003. When the Eyetoy launched they admitted years later that they werent happy with the fact that the camera alone left them stuck in min-game hell so they started developing the tech for what would later on be known as the "Move" in 2004.

I would say the difference is one of the companies is more creative and has been working on similar things.  Arguable Microsoft has been working on similar tech much longer, but either way, they are innovating it more.  It’s too bad Sony couldn’t come up with better ways of using it with Move.  They just made a high tech Wiimote with it.

 

Even the new Oculus Riff is using similar tech to some of Kinect.

The last major Sony innovation was the walkman.  Everything else has been derivative.  Which isn't always bad – it’s refining, making smaller sizes, etc.  But it’s not creative by it’s very nature.

 


Sony is always pushing the envelope. People just don't give them credit or don't see what they've done. 

IE: Their 3D two player fullscreen tv. Great innovation, zero marketing.

Microsoft didn't create the Kinect tech nor were they anywhere in the realm of creating such an innovation at the time for gaming until the Wii gained success. Sony turned it down after they saw that the hardware was limited and Microsoft bought it after Primesense went about their business. Microsoft put Rare to the task of working on the Kinect after they purchase Primesense. The cart isn't before the horse. MS buys their way out of weaknesses which isn't always a bad thing.



dane007 on 18 February 2014

@DR killinger Are you telling me that sony had no such plans to do so? then explain the design of the controller which includes an LED light which the PS eye reads. Why create such a controller if they had no plans to use it or even bundle it with every ps4. Explain why sony refuses to disabled the light since its pointless to have when theres no ps eye. because of that light ,, the bat is only 7 hours which is weak when the competition batteries last 50 hours lol. explain why is their sreaming services for movies , streaming services for music, tv series and why is ps4 is used most to watch porn if consoles are only used for gaming?



dane007 on 18 February 2014

@STAGE
1) Well i would say so since evertything of xbox one is built around the kinect. when it was always online ,, you need the kinect to switch it on.

2) Well i would say yes especially if a company wants to achieve its vision. You got to start somewhere and you may never get it right straightaway,, butif you keep at it,, then reward will be oustanding

3) Thats because sony saw the level of hate MS got from gamers with what they revealed. Sony is not in financial state to have another PS3 fiasco which saw them lose alot of money. Because of MS blunder they saw tha they had a upper hand to make theiur console more successful then the competiion. If sony experienced another ps3 launch,, who knows what would have happen to them right?



dane007 on 18 February 2014

@STAGE Nintendo were the innovators as they made motion gaming popular with their Wii. I know sony fans will dispute that and say sony did it first. However the fact still remains,, that nintendo got it out to he masses first and made it popular. It doesn't matter if you had the idea on paper,, its how you make use of the idea. sadly nintendo got there first. Kinect is an iraninan tech which MS bought. Kinect device is still MS creation and for its time it wads innovative as it has alot of potential outside of gaming and within gaming ( which is debatable). But to create a camera to do all those things is innovation as for last gen there was no such device like kinect. Wii controlller is different to kinect. Again it doesn't matter if sony had an idea first.. the idea on paper is worthless if you don' make use of it. I would say the community were the ones who showed ms wat kinect can do lol.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 18 February 2014
dane007 said:
@DR killinger Are you telling me that sony had no such plans to do so? then explain the design of the controller which includes an LED light which the PS eye reads. Why create such a controller if they had no plans to use it or even bundle it with every ps4. Explain why sony refuses to disabled the light since its pointless to have when theres no ps eye. because of that light ,, the bat is only 7 hours which is weak when the competition batteries last 50 hours lol. explain why is their sreaming services for movies , streaming services for music, tv series and why is ps4 is used most to watch porn if consoles are only used for gaming?

I didn't say they didn't have plans to do it. The Light is pretty damning evidence. But they changed there minds. If we persecuted people for thinking about commiting crimes we would be living in 1984.

Also the light definetly wouldn't help with power if it was off, because its an LED and Leds have low power consumption.

Also as for the porn thing, its not compeletely accurate. It was only one site, XB1 users might prefer different porn sites, plus since more people are using PS4s and Wii U has a larger juvenile thats just a result of the statistics.

Also: Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are working together.

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coolguy on 18 February 2014

Kincet is just a 100 dollar remote. Ms should drop kincet its a fad



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ICStats on 18 February 2014

This article is gold. It really mirrors my thinking.

It's not just that it's unnecessary and expensive, it's annoying too.  Sales speak for themselves.

Good job Polygon. You may yet redeem yourself as a viable review site for the new king of consoles.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 18 February 2014
dane007 said:
@STAGE
1) Well i would say so since evertything of xbox one is built around the kinect. when it was always online ,, you need the kinect to switch it on.

2) Well i would say yes especially if a company wants to achieve its vision. You got to start somewhere and you may never get it right straightaway,, butif you keep at it,, then reward will be oustanding

3) Thats because sony saw the level of hate MS got from gamers with what they revealed. Sony is not in financial state to have another PS3 fiasco which saw them lose alot of money. Because of MS blunder they saw tha they had a upper hand to make theiur console more successful then the competiion. If sony experienced another ps3 launch,, who knows what would have happen to them right?


1) You're incorrect. A primary controller is what controls the whole system. Cant play proper games with the Kinect unless they are designed around the Kinect. The tech isnt sophisticated enough hence why Sony created the move. The Wii mote was a primary controller for the Wii. Its true value couldn't be realized without it. Do not put your subjective opinion into this. I like the Kinect...but objectively speaking...it is not primary. I also do not see the purpose in its bundling at the moment as nothing outside of the UI is utilizing it.

2) Microsoft has no technical vision for the Kinect, they are just trying to profit off of primesenses work. Primesense is gone off and doing their on thing now. MS is trying to force that device down everyones throat now. Microsoft only pays attention to what sells. They dont care about the quality of the overall product. It was  a fad riding off of the Wii's success. MS knows this, hence why they force bundled it.

3) Incorrect on so many levels. This is Sonys third Eyetoy. They've NEVER FORCED BUNDLED IT.

This is not an arugment. Sorry to say. Was nice chatting.



Soundwave on 18 February 2014

Both the Wii U gamepad and Kinect 2.0 should be optional. They are both slowing the adoption rates of their platforms and the motion gaming/casual console fads are over. Time to accept it.

Sony's the only one with any damn sense this generation in designing a console.