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Should Nintendo offer a WiiU SKU without the Gamepad?

Yes, their best option at this point. 164 47.13%
 
No, the negatives outweigh the cheaper price. 183 52.59%
 
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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 17 February 2014

 

DarkD said:

Ok for the PS2 and the PS3, name 20 of them that scored over 70 on metacritic?  10 each shouldn't be that hard.  

If they only have the odd game outside of those categories, then im not interested.  

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/title/ps3/a?view=detailed

DarkD said:

If you are referring to things like God of War im not interested.  Silent hill not interested.  I just like to relax and enjoy a game.  So yea if you take my statement at face value, theres a problem with it.  I like games which try and be fun not bloody or which make you fap....
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:

No pretty much every one of them is a third person shooter or Little big planet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

Research is the enemy of Ignorance

If you don't like some games on a platform that doesn't mean that you can generalize and overlook its entire software catalog. Flower and Journey are essentially the Antithesis of Playstation Library according to you.



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archbrix on 17 February 2014
vivster said:
Same problem like MS dropping Kinect. If they did that they would have nothing on the competition and seem even worse in comparison.

They would have Nintendo exclusives and a $199 price.  That's two very important things that the competition doesn't have.



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 17 February 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

 

DarkD said:

Ok for the PS2 and the PS3, name 20 of them that scored over 70 on metacritic?  10 each shouldn't be that hard.  

If they only have the odd game outside of those categories, then im not interested.  

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/title/ps3/a?view=detailed

DarkD said:

If you are referring to things like God of War im not interested.  Silent hill not interested.  I just like to relax and enjoy a game.  So yea if you take my statement at face value, theres a problem with it.  I like games which try and be fun not bloody or which make you fap....
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:

No pretty much every one of them is a third person shooter or Little big planet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games

Research is the enemy of Ignorance

If you don't like some games on a platform that doesn't mean that you can generalize and overlook its entire software catalog. Flower and Journey are essentially the Antithesis of Playstation Library according to you.

Only AAA games with big advertising budgets matter.

So everything not named Uncharted and Grant Tourismo is irrelevant.

God of War? Whats that? A Horror NIghtmare?



kidvizious on 17 February 2014
forethought14 said:
They wont do that. What they can do, is find a way to manufacture the Gamepad (or even the console) in a cheaper way. They obviously don't wanna drop the prices of their current SKU ($299.99 is still kinda pricy), so their best choice is to keep the GamePad, but find someway of making it cheaper, but still work just as the original. Much of it is empty space, there's room for shrinking it down. Perhaps they can cut costs there and reduce the price of the SKU. $249.99, w/ slim Gamepad, Wii U Pro Controller, the premium/deluxe stuff, a game inside (Super Mario 3D World, or Mario Kart 8, or Smash Bros, etc), that sounds pretty good if you ask me.


And you expect Nintendo to make money how again?



kidvizious on 17 February 2014
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DarkD said:
leo-j said:
Not when most games use it.. Might as well buy a ps3.. Since that has better online, is cheaper, and has more games coming to it


Sony games are all Shooters, Sports and the odd RPG.  With that kinda crappy variety, I would probably have a smaller gaming catalogue than I did on the PS2.  PS2 gave me the least enjoyment of any console I've ever owned....  I wish I had gotten the gamecube instead back then...  Even now I have like 5 games for PS2 and almost 10 on the Wii U, and playstation was the only console I had that generation.  So don't give me that fanboy bullshit.

As for the question in the thread, unfortunately yes they should.  One of Wii's big features was its low price, and Wii U's pricetag is practically competing with the PS4.  The tablet isn't that essential to most of the games on the Wii U and I think a lot of developers are using it in places they shouldn't.  If a innovation is going to be mandatory, then it needs to wow people first.  The gamepad didn't wow many people, even if it's an improvement for many games, its not a necessity for them.  

Silly Billy, you can't make ignorant claims like that and not expect to get called out for them.

No pretty much every one of them is a third person shooter or Little big planet

Stop being a fanboy and generalizing a system. Do you like when people call the Wii U a "kiddie system"? No. So don't do it to others. Makes you look like you just joined the gaming community.



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Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 17 February 2014
archbrix said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
spurgeonryan said:
I say do it. Put a warning on games that need it. Done.


And you Miiverse is not mandatory people.

How well did that work out with Motion Plus?

Considering that many Consumers still think Wii U Tablet is an addon for the wii, I doubt the efficacy of this strategy.

The problem is that even with the Gamepad included with every console, Nintendo hasn't been making it a necessity for their vision of game design.  None of the Marios need it, WW can be played with the pro, Pikmin 3 plays best with a Wiimote, Donkey Kong does NOTHING with its features to enchance the game and Mario Kart, Smash, and Zelda will all surely function just fine without it.  Bayo 2?  X?  The prospects of a Wii Sports 3?  

Personally, I was looking forward to software that couldn't be done without it but so far we have pretty much only Nintendoland and ZombiU, since games like Rayman and W101 could've worked just fine without it.  If the console were selling fine then it wouldn't be an issue but is it really worth the mandatory inclusion driving up the cost of the console at this point with all of the big games coming out this year and Nintendo's profits continuing to suffer?

 

If you played PIkmin 3 you'd know that the game is best Played with the WiiMote AND the gamepad. The gamepad is a second screen

I plut the gamepad under my TV and play it like DS. Pick up the screen when I gotta see interact with something

Mario's a challenge based game, the gamepad is mostly used to interact with that gaming world and help in co-op( I messed around for hours dong that in 3D World)

It also shows you how much imagination you lack. A system intensive game like X would benefit massively from the gamepad, you do so much management and interaction with that game that gamepad should be mandatory.

Imagine a port of The Last Story to WiiU. A game like that is dying to use the WiiU gamepad. Its an Action RPG with Parkour mechanics, aI management, cover shooting and destructable environments  Gyroscope arrow aiming, Ai management,

Shit even Sonic Boom Uses the gamepad it offers a succint solution to co-op and adventure puzzles

Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros are heavily community inspired games right?  So you put a track editor and a stage editor in them. Heck you could even create parody scenes with the characters and put that on miiverse along with general system management via touch  MK8 and Smash are begging for shit like that.

Wii Sports Club also uses the gamepad

 

WiiU needs more horror games

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Q5oYo3T8I



vivster on 17 February 2014
archbrix said:
vivster said:
Same problem like MS dropping Kinect. If they did that they would have nothing on the competition and seem even worse in comparison.

They would have Nintendo exclusives and a $199 price.  That's two very important things that the competition doesn't have.

The competition also doesn't have the same shape of the box. Your point?

People don't buy consoles solely for Software. Especially not people who never bought that system before. All 3 consoles have great exclusive software and 2 of them even have 3rd party games. If Nintendo games weren't enough so far they won't do the trick in a cheaper box. Without the new controller the customers will really be wondering why they don't just buy the much cheaper Wii.



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DarkD on 17 February 2014
kidvizious said:
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DarkD said:
leo-j said:
Not when most games use it.. Might as well buy a ps3.. Since that has better online, is cheaper, and has more games coming to it


Sony games are all Shooters, Sports and the odd RPG.  With that kinda crappy variety, I would probably have a smaller gaming catalogue than I did on the PS2.  PS2 gave me the least enjoyment of any console I've ever owned....  I wish I had gotten the gamecube instead back then...  Even now I have like 5 games for PS2 and almost 10 on the Wii U, and playstation was the only console I had that generation.  So don't give me that fanboy bullshit.

As for the question in the thread, unfortunately yes they should.  One of Wii's big features was its low price, and Wii U's pricetag is practically competing with the PS4.  The tablet isn't that essential to most of the games on the Wii U and I think a lot of developers are using it in places they shouldn't.  If a innovation is going to be mandatory, then it needs to wow people first.  The gamepad didn't wow many people, even if it's an improvement for many games, its not a necessity for them.  

Silly Billy, you can't make ignorant claims like that and not expect to get called out for them.

No pretty much every one of them is a third person shooter or Little big planet

Stop being a fanboy and generalizing a system. Do you like when people call the Wii U a "kiddie system"? No. So don't do it to others. Makes you look like you just joined the gaming community.


generalizations are perfectly valid.  Of course they aren't perfect, but if something falls primarily into one category or another then by all means generalize it.  

What I argue with when people call Nintendo games Kiddie games is that its usually the more mature players who like those "kiddie games" and its usually the preteen imature brats who like the games rated M.  Yes Nintendo goes to absurd lengths to protect children from online predators.  Yes Nintendo has primarily E for everyone titles.  Calling it a kiddie system is a valid generalization, I don't deny that there's an argument for that.  

Even in that generalization, there are exceptions to it.  I'm sure there are the odd adults who prefer those bloody nightmare games, but I get the feeling most of the people who are obsessed with them are only interested because they are conforming to the majority of what people think boys like.  It's not like I didn't enjoy playing Metal Gear Solid 2, but I've played them both now and Zelda games were more fun.  



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 17 February 2014
kidvizious said:
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DarkD said:
leo-j said:
Not when most games use it.. Might as well buy a ps3.. Since that has better online, is cheaper, and has more games coming to it


Sony games are all Shooters, Sports and the odd RPG.  With that kinda crappy variety, I would probably have a smaller gaming catalogue than I did on the PS2.  PS2 gave me the least enjoyment of any console I've ever owned....  I wish I had gotten the gamecube instead back then...  Even now I have like 5 games for PS2 and almost 10 on the Wii U, and playstation was the only console I had that generation.  So don't give me that fanboy bullshit.

As for the question in the thread, unfortunately yes they should.  One of Wii's big features was its low price, and Wii U's pricetag is practically competing with the PS4.  The tablet isn't that essential to most of the games on the Wii U and I think a lot of developers are using it in places they shouldn't.  If a innovation is going to be mandatory, then it needs to wow people first.  The gamepad didn't wow many people, even if it's an improvement for many games, its not a necessity for them.  

Silly Billy, you can't make ignorant claims like that and not expect to get called out for them.

No pretty much every one of them is a third person shooter or Little big planet

Stop being a fanboy and generalizing a system. Do you like when people call the Wii U a "kiddie system"? No. So don't do it to others. Makes you look like you just joined the gaming community.

It'd be one thing if Nintendo was making bratz games with AAA money behind it but they're not :p

Sony however?

What is Infamous? A TPS ( OpenuWaruuudoooo)

What is the Order? A TPS

What is Uncharted A TPS

What is The Last of Us? A TPS

Sony is where you go if you want art games(from Sony Japan and Media MOlecule) or Adventure games with teh Gunz

Their other stuff includes sports, racers, White Knight Chronicles,  Little big planet/Sly/Clank, God of War

Nintendo?

Got teh mario teh donkey kong and teh kirby for teh platformers

Got teh batallion wars, da advance wars, da fire emblem and da odama for strategy

got teh punch out, fzero machrider, all sorts of shit for their sports and racing lines

got teh Starfox and teh steel diver and teh metroid for shooting shit

not doing the shit with their horror ips

got teh rpg franchises out the ass, however tjree of them arent doing much of anything (somabringer,Golden Sun, Mother)

Got random shit like Custom robo,Chibi Robo, Clu clu retro crap. Pretty much they got a crap ton of these

^Shit ton of puzzle games. ALL OUT THE ASS WITH THE PUZZLE GAMES. Wario Ware being a big one.

Got teh Zelda and Takamaru,Star tropics for Action and Adventure.

Got teh 75 franchises they sit on above. About 13 or so not being used from retro era



FarleyMcFirefly on 17 February 2014
DevilRising said:
Most people that say that don't own a Wii U, and haven't spent time with the controller. Most people I know who actually have, tend to like it.

And this is about the 16th thread to state "Wii U should drop GamePad".


This, its rather annoying.



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