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Should Nintendo offer an optional WiiU SKU without the Gamepad?

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Should Nintendo offer a WiiU SKU without the Gamepad?

Yes, their best option at this point. 164 47.13%
 
No, the negatives outweigh the cheaper price. 183 52.59%
 
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cusman said:
I think the Gamepad should have been an Accessory that came with Nintendo Land or ZombiU. I think after those two launch titles only Game & Wario used it in an essential way.

That is 3 games total since Wii U launched (eShop titles included) that use the Gamepad in an essential way. I equate the Gamepad to the Kinect which also doesn't have much example of essential use in games.

I think any Accessory that is not essential for wide variety of gaming uses should be designed to be optional. Nintendo and Microsoft are both wrong to have forced the inclusion. It is the wrong thinking that if many people have your accessory that somehow developers will get more comfortable and ambitious about developing fresh game designs and AAA games that use that new accessory.

It is not even just about the cost, it also makes the product less attractive to the comfortably core gamer. I think they worry about gimmick controls tacked on to their core games ruining the fun of those games or just shallow shovel-ware like the Wii got tons and tons of.

Bottom line: Core gamers don't like gimmick stuff because that stuff tends to collect a lot of dust aside from the few games that make essential use of that gimmick.

The gamepad isnt a gimmick though. It allows the designers to design games differently, there are gimmicky manners to do this and there are not so gimmicky ways of doing it.

For instance. Compare Uncharted on the Vita to Tearaway, Tearaway perfectly blends the VIta's hardware concept and the gameplay into an enrapturing experience. Uncharted and AC Liberation however are just gimmicky crap tech demos with clunky gameplay and full of imprecision. Its just a glorified showcase of what the system can do.

IMO Wii Sports was like that. But people played the shit outta it  because it was fun and motion controls were a huge marketing novelty that is easily understood.

You see PS4? Its easily understood. Only people holding out on it are holding out for content.

With WiiU people are holding out for content and are not yet sold on its concept in entirety. That is NIntendo's problem



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nintendo just have to make ONE game that realy shows what the gamepad can do...



yes, Id buy one, it'd also be cheaper



That would effectively strip the console of credibility. That's the huge problem for Nintendo; the Gamepad is by far the biggest problem in the whole image of the console and alienates rather than entices, it comes off as a strange and cheap knock-off of a proper tablet, but they can't simply scrap it since it is such an integral part of the whole setup.
It's a classic "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
The whole console lacks aim and most of that can be blamed on the Gamepad.

My answer is; no, there would be no point in it, it could end up making the machine even less appealing and be likened to the other two and being found a weak and unsupported alternative; it would have literally zero purchasing incentive besides the ones who hunt madly for Nintendo 1st party games.



End of 2016 hardware sales:

Wii U: 15 million. PS4: 54 million. One: 30 million. 3DS: 64.8 million. PSVita: 15.2 million.

PS3 aint reaching that 5 million sales goal buddy^



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archbrix said:
Zero999 said:

wrong on both. there are games requiring it and withou it, the sku would only be $50 less.

The general consensus was that (at launch anyway) the Gamepad accounted for over $100 of the WiiU's price.  They're still losing a little on each console at $299.

Without the inclusion of the Gamepad they could sell the console at $199 with just a Wiimote/nunchuck and not lose any more than they're losing now, if not breaking even.  If it were only $50 less as you said, then they'd surely be profiting nicely with each sale.  Either scenario would be better for Nintendo.

the general consensus is that the gamepad only increases the sku's price in $50.



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
PS3 aint reaching that 5 million sales goal buddy^


Probably won't, it's falling even more than I thought. The 7th gen is crashing hard, which was always likely.

But, remind me again how that is relevant to the subject at hand?



End of 2016 hardware sales:

Wii U: 15 million. PS4: 54 million. One: 30 million. 3DS: 64.8 million. PSVita: 15.2 million.

Nothing at all.

WiiU should sell more than 5 mil this year..



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Nothing at all.

WiiU should sell more than 5 mil this year..

LOL ... Your in for one rude awakening.



leo-j said:
Not when most games use it.. Might as well buy a ps3.. Since that has better online, is cheaper, and has more games coming to it


I actually agree with you.  Without the pad, the Wii U is nothing more than a PS3 level console with less bells and whistles (Blu-Ray, media, etc.) and WORSE third party support.  I couldn't recommend the Wii U to anybody but the most hardcore of Nintendo fans if it didn't have a pad.  Nintendo exclusives and the controller are virtually the only things the Wii U have going for it if I look at it with unbiased eyes.

 

*plucks out unbiased eyes*

*puts Nintendo eyes back in*



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