Haters usually tell themselves that. In fact, the point of this thread is saying that the Wii U is capable of creating graphics similar to PS4/XBONE. So does that mean all these systems are last gen or underpowered? Lol, that logic is just flawed. 

its bollocks. So all those exclusives for Wii U werent built fromt he ground up for it? Ill give you NSMBWU since it probably used damn near all the assests of the WIi one, and Pikmin3 since that started as a Wii game. But what of the rest? Zombi U, 3d world, DKC

bonzobanana said:

. Some of the wii u games actually can still be good versions in playability terms even if technically weaker. I.e. Sonic Racing Transformed on wii u actually gets a good review but the display resolution is very low, something like 1024x576 on wii u compared to 1280x720 on ps3 for example. So remember to read from a technical viewpoint too. 

ZyroXZ2 said:
I... don't think I can keep up with this thread, lol... But I DID skim through all the pages I missed and will add the following:

People compared Wii U's launch games to PS3/XBox360 late life games, and said "wow, the Wii U sucks, it's barely better", but now when we compare Wii U's 2nd year games to PS4/XBox1 launch games "wow, that's not fair, PS4/Xbox1 are new and will see massive improvements"? o_O

I know these blanket statements are easy to make, but we are a whole bunch of individuals. There are people guilty of what you're saying, I just don't think any of them are in this thread. Personally I've always stated that Wii U launch games can't directly be compared to end of gen PS360 games. The fact it was producing almost identical results in multiplats proved it was actually considerably stronger than the other two systems.

Also the only comment I noticed about the comparison being unfair was referring to X verse PS4 launch games. They didn't care that it was coming out in the Wii U's third year, just that it was coming out a year after the games it was being compared to. I certainly don't agree, but I'm just pointing that out.

I didn't even notice the Pikmin 3 vs SM3DW misread, hahaha...

I obviously didn't notice it either. Woops. ;) SM3DW does have visible edges, but yeah that game does a great job of hiding them. Really the only case that isn't nitpicking is the grassy ground. Lots of times those hills are very triangulated, but it's hard to notice unless you move the camera down to the side.

The PS4/XBox1 are not going to see the type of graphical growth the PS3/XBox360 did, that's just not going to happen. As I mentioned, there will be improvements, but they will be more optimization than major overhauls like we saw from the launch of the PS3/XBox360. Anyone who thinks otherwise is neglecting the fact that developers have been releasing PC games for well over a DECADE, and are therefore highly familiar with the x86 architecture. Late PS4/Xbox1 games will look better, but only just so.

I've been sidestepping your comments about this sense I legally can't get into deep hardware discussions, but as I said I believe the opposite. The CELL certainly was part of the reason why end of gen games look so much better than launch games, but it doesn't apply to the 360. I don't need to post images to show this, but launch 360 games look horrible compared to recent heavy hitters. Meanwhile the XBOX system was fresh but it was still nothing crazy for devs to deal with. It was based on the PowerPC architecture and other basics from the before it. That didn't stop the system from having almost as much graphical growth as the crazy PS3 though. It's because mid gen growth is the result of many things. Having a foreign design is one of the smaller ones. I'm personally expecting this gen to have a larger graphical growth than last, thanks mostly to how interconnected game development is becoming.

The Wii U will see advancements in a different way. PPC architecture isn't new either, but Nintendo themselves is new to HD development. 3rd party ports have clearly been afterthoughts, and though they have a few improvements here and there, I can confidently say there hasn't been much effort because there's proven sales history that proper development time and money by a 3rd party will see losses on Nintendo's consoles. This will naturally see 3rd party's not even come close to attempting to push the system, nor even ensure their game does anything else other than run playable.

Yeah I think everyone can agree that 3rd party ports will not be the best looking games on the system. This applies to most consoles, but it really applies with the Wii U.

The only developer, therefore, to push the Wii U's hardware is Nintendo. And while they're learning fast, they're new to HD development, so I think we'll see a decent improvement on Wii U exclusives (we're already seeing this from Pikmin 3 to SM3DW, and with Bayonetta 2 and 'X') in which Nintendo is directly involved. The real kicker is going to be the Zelda U reveal at E3. How fast have they caught up with HD development? Will Zelda U be artistic like Skyward Sword to make full use of the system's power yet hide all its shortcomings? Or will Zelda U be technical, and utilize the vast graphics technology available in modern GPUs compared to their admittedly underpowered Wii?

Nintendo is new to it, but that doesn't mean they have to reinvent the wheel. All the hard work has already been done for them by 360 devs. We'll be seeing tons of delays as they overcome the HD hurdle, but I doubt it's really affecting their graphical output. Their graphics will increase over time for sure just like with any other system though. Zelda U should look amazing regardless of the style they use. A realistic art-style would certainly give a bigger impression to the dudebros, but I think most of the "behaved" members on this site could see through to the technical masterpiece regardless of design decisions. Compared to PS3 games, Zelda U could look incredible.

E3 is going to be a big deal with Zelda U, because Zelda may just close that gap even further, or show Nintendo needs another console to finally understand HD development (and its high cost/longer development time). Either way, I look forward to what the Wii U will do, because it may be less powerful than the PS4/XBox1, but Bayonetta 2 and 'X' have me believing the Wii U is NOT "underpowered", and is wholly capable of giving a non-PC gamer the "wow" factor in graphics. SM3DW already achieves this, but only to those without blinders on, which is essentially people I directly show the game to on my system, on my TV, and then without me even asking, they mention how much better the game looks than they "thought" (thanks to media and "hardcore gamers").

One problem though is that PS3 is now last gen. Console gamers have already seen the breathtaking visuals of Ryse and Killzone. They're moving on. With Nintendo's E3 traditionally being last, it could be very hard to get a "wow" from gamers after they just saw something like Uncharted 5 the day before.

SM3DW does look pretty amazing though.

Haters usually tell themselves that. In fact, the point of this thread is saying that the Wii U is capable of creating graphics similar to PS4/XBONE. So does that mean all these systems are last gen or underpowered? Lol, that logic is just flawed. 

PS3 version of Transformed pays a terrible price for that higher resolution; its framerate is awful and screen tearing is rampant. (Neither of which is a Problem in the v-synced Wii U version)