It's not that it's doing worse, it's just that I think the PS4 may have the N64 pattern - huge launch relative to what it does lifetime. I remember my parents wanted to get me an N64 on day one, but with the stock issues it arrived in December 1996 not Sept 1996. Thing is, all the hardcore SNES people who weren't interested in PS1 were the people to buy it. After that, demand died off fairly quickly, pretty much by the end of 1997. In year one N64 did like 10m, but fell to 33m lifetime. You should be very suspicious of consoles with huge launches - none of the smash hits had huge launches - Wii was behind Xbox originally, PS1 sold like shit originally, PS2 was behind Xbox originally in an aligned launch in the US, DS sold like shit initially, same for NES. Everything to top 100m has performed in a completely different way than PS4 / Xbox 1 - softer initial sales but a much slower drop off too. Sony is probably being honest - I don't doubt PS4 is ahead of forecasts, I just doubt it is going to sell 15 million a year on average for the next six years as it's launch months would imply. I think it's the N64 pattern at a higher level.

Yea that was an interesting point I brought up in another thread about how Ninty was doing a terrible job convincing people to get a Wii U.  Mainly in the point that they have given them no significant reason to upgrade to a Wii U.  Literally the best offer Ninty has made on that front is backwards compatibility but that only works if there is something more the Wii U has to offer to force the upgrade to begin with leaving us back at square one.

I hadn't actually thought of that in terms of PS4 and X1 but it makes sense.  Most of the system's big selling points are doing things that 360 and PS3 did but better.  While gamers like us may see that as enough, it isn't a very marketable idea to the bulk of the people that will buy it.  Not to mention why spend that amount of money to play games that are still comparable on the systems they already own.  All 3 systems are really going to need a set of games that heavily changes the minds of its consumers or features that are marketable enough to force the upgrade.  Launch hype is dying down and the summer months are coming (wink haha) so work has to be done.  Titanfall, though, could be one of those games that could change the fortunes of at least the X1.  It is a new franchise and could help to prove to customers the difference in online play between the systems.  We will see how this affects the market.  

Wii U is done. Mario Kart can't save this trainwreck and its too far off even if it could. 3DS is in trouble. Rough times for Nintendo.

The only possibly good thing about this gen for Nintendo is maybe MS will flee after getting their rear ends handed to them by Sony and Nintendo can slide into a more comfy no.2 spot next-gen. 

Eh, 8,000 is basically flat, even if it is a larger percentage at those lower levels. Wii U still has its best games ahead of it, this year specifically.

PS4 really did well, especially when you look at the weekly average. Almost as good as the hype machine wii.

Compared to last year it has a much stronger library and $50 cheaper with a free game bundled. Yet it's still doing worse YOY? I know it has stronger competition now but it should have at least done better than 49k. I think Nintendo needs to slash the price another $50 or else they'll be completely dead during the 3 month drought. 

Don't worry, Cranky Kong will carry the Wii U for 4 months or whatever. 

Demand for Nintendo consoles basically functions in a vacuum, though. Wii proved that presence or absence of competition from Sony or Microsoft really had no bearing on how Nintendo really performed. The rot is coming, as you yourself have often said, from down below, and even if Sony goes belly-up and the activist investors convince Nadella to bail out of gaming, it really wouldn't help Nintendo, except in Japan. Western devs would leave for PC and mobile permanently if the "high-end" gaming market suddenly evaporated due to Sony and/or Microsoft's departure.

Hmm didn't Ninty say Wii U sales increased 16% year over year for January?  Or did I misread that.

You might be thinking of software sales. I'm not sure, I didn't see that number.