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DJEVOLVE said:
bucky1965 said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Zucas said:
 


How strong it USED to be.  I feel there is a lot of short term memory loss when people talk about the Xbox brand.  There was NO Xbox brand outside of America before the 360.  And even in America that brand was weak at best.  Similarly, there was no Nintendo brand outside of America and Japan.  Europe was always Nintendo's weakest market even when they were facing Sega back in the old days.  In the 6th generation PS2 did 55 million in Europe, Gamecube did 4.4 million, and Xbox did 7.1 million.  In the 7th generation in Europe PS3 did 33 million, Wii did 33.7 million, and 360 did 25 million.  The brand is not a monopoly in Europe anymore.  

I won't argue that the brand of Playstation is strong in Europe.  What I will argue is that it is as strong as it used to and that it is not strong over its competition.  It could become strong this generation, but right now we can't say it is strong.  Not when it suffers such a heavy market loss as that.  


Its stronger then ever now...........................It's now taking back that market share it lost. Also, market share does not translate from one gen to the next ask Nintendo. The only reason 360 made the ground it did was Sony dropping every ball possible with ps3. The wii was a fad......... Are you ignoring the sales this gen for a reason? I think you are dwelling too much on the one generation sony didn't domiante instead of the 3 it has. How convenient. Saying the PS brand is not strong is laughable.

Funny thing is, many people aren't brand loyal either.


Lets get all of your predictions. Since this thread is about both hitting 100,000,000 sales. Some people agree and some don't. So put your reasons and your predictions.http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=178124&page=1#

Brand loyality usual grows with age. You will notice a lot of old people stick to certain things. some don't but a lot do. Old habits. You name it.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=178124&page=1#

Haha I am smart enough to know to keep predictions vague and without actual assertions.  Well at least now I am haha.  5 years ago I might have jumped at the chance, but no longer.  



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Zucas said:
 


How strong it USED to be.  I feel there is a lot of short term memory loss when people talk about the Xbox brand.  There was NO Xbox brand outside of America before the 360.  And even in America that brand was weak at best.  Similarly, there was no Nintendo brand outside of America and Japan.  Europe was always Nintendo's weakest market even when they were facing Sega back in the old days.  In the 6th generation PS2 did 55 million in Europe, Gamecube did 4.4 million, and Xbox did 7.1 million.  In the 7th generation in Europe PS3 did 33 million, Wii did 33.7 million, and 360 did 25 million.  The brand is not a monopoly in Europe anymore.  

I won't argue that the brand of Playstation is strong in Europe.  What I will argue is that it is as strong as it used to and that it is not strong over its competition.  It could become strong this generation, but right now we can't say it is strong.  Not when it suffers such a heavy market loss as that.  

Not stong over its competition.... How about a reality check.

Last weeks WW sales, overa ll numbers home and portable hardware.

PS 275k
Nin 190
X 114k 

Better yet lets only look at console numbers only, it is what we are debating.

PS 213k
Nin 56k
X 115

PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

How bout new gen.

PS4 144k
wiiU 77k
X1 42

Once agian PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

Really want to see the stregth of the PS brand.

PS3 67k
X1 76k
WIIU 42

Not only is the nearly decade old PS3 holding its own vs the Xbox1 but its beating the Wiiu, how about that for current brand strength ?

 

Wanna talk Europe specifically.

Top 5 selling games in Europe are on PS.
11 of the top 15 are on PS.  
PS3 and PS4 COD Fifa GTA BF4 AC4 all currently chart higher then 360 XB1 versions. 

then there is this Europe only hardware.

PS4 61,285
PS3 24,053
XOne 17,844
360 12,749
WiiU 9,895
Wii 6,944

Two of the top selling consoles are PS
PS3 is out selling Wii and WiiU combined
PS3 is out selling Wii WIIu 360 X1
PS4 alone is selling double the entire Xbox brand (360 and X1)
PS3 and PS4 are out selling all Nintendo and Xbox consoles.

And all this with a supply constrained out of stock PS4

 So "not strong over its competition" in your eyes ? dont worry with Japan soon added to the count PS brand and PS4 will tower over the competition even more.  Maybe then ill be strong enough.

Is this not domminating ? 



The xbox one will struggle to hit 50 million, let alone 100 million.



DJEVOLVE said:
If MS shows a good reason behind Kinect and gets the core hyped, then yes, if not, then dropping Kinect and dropping lower then PS4 would be the next move and only way to this. It is way to early to tell but I don't think either will hit 100 million. PS4 hype is hi right now but will die down in March. Titanfall needs to bring the heat and they need to release that damn Titanfall bundle.

Initial sales of PS4 are that of the hardcore crowd. The games are ok but MS does have them on this front so far.


Hypes gonna die in the month there Biggest launch game comes out in, Hmm not sure about that one. 



I hope it happens, it would only shove a fat middle finger in these analyst faces about consoles being dead.

Both need to do well period.



 

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BeElite said:
Zucas said:
 


How strong it USED to be.  I feel there is a lot of short term memory loss when people talk about the Xbox brand.  There was NO Xbox brand outside of America before the 360.  And even in America that brand was weak at best.  Similarly, there was no Nintendo brand outside of America and Japan.  Europe was always Nintendo's weakest market even when they were facing Sega back in the old days.  In the 6th generation PS2 did 55 million in Europe, Gamecube did 4.4 million, and Xbox did 7.1 million.  In the 7th generation in Europe PS3 did 33 million, Wii did 33.7 million, and 360 did 25 million.  The brand is not a monopoly in Europe anymore.  

I won't argue that the brand of Playstation is strong in Europe.  What I will argue is that it is as strong as it used to and that it is not strong over its competition.  It could become strong this generation, but right now we can't say it is strong.  Not when it suffers such a heavy market loss as that.  

Not stong over its competition.... How about a reality check.

Last weeks WW sales, overa ll numbers home and portable hardware.

PS 275k
Nin 190
X 114k 

Better yet lets only look at console numbers only, it is what we are debating.

PS 213k
Nin 56k
X 115

PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

How bout new gen.

PS4 144k
wiiU 77k
X1 42

Once agian PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

Really want to see the stregth of the PS brand.

PS3 67k
X1 76k
WIIU 42

Not only is the nearly decade old PS3 holding its own vs the Xbox1 but its beating the Wiiu, how about that for current brand strength ?

 

Wanna talk Europe specifically.

Top 5 selling games in Europe are on PS.
11 of the top 15 are on PS.  
PS3 and PS4 COD Fifa GTA BF4 AC4 all currently chart higher then 360 XB1 versions. 

then there is this Europe only hardware.

PS4 61,285
PS3 24,053
XOne 17,844
360 12,749
WiiU 9,895
Wii 6,944

Two of the top selling consoles are PS
PS3 is out selling Wii and WiiU combined
PS3 is out selling Wii WIIu 360 X1
PS4 alone is selling double the entire Xbox brand (360 and X1)
PS3 and PS4 are out selling all Nintendo and Xbox consoles.

And all this with a supply constrained out of stock PS4

 So "not strong over its competition" in your eyes ? dont worry with Japan soon added to the count PS brand and PS4 will tower over the competition even more.  Maybe then ill be strong enough.

Is this not domminating ? 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3



DJEVOLVE said:
BeElite said:
Zucas said:
 


How strong it USED to be.  I feel there is a lot of short term memory loss when people talk about the Xbox brand.  There was NO Xbox brand outside of America before the 360.  And even in America that brand was weak at best.  Similarly, there was no Nintendo brand outside of America and Japan.  Europe was always Nintendo's weakest market even when they were facing Sega back in the old days.  In the 6th generation PS2 did 55 million in Europe, Gamecube did 4.4 million, and Xbox did 7.1 million.  In the 7th generation in Europe PS3 did 33 million, Wii did 33.7 million, and 360 did 25 million.  The brand is not a monopoly in Europe anymore.  

I won't argue that the brand of Playstation is strong in Europe.  What I will argue is that it is as strong as it used to and that it is not strong over its competition.  It could become strong this generation, but right now we can't say it is strong.  Not when it suffers such a heavy market loss as that.  

Not stong over its competition.... How about a reality check.

Last weeks WW sales, overa ll numbers home and portable hardware.

PS 275k
Nin 190
X 114k 

Better yet lets only look at console numbers only, it is what we are debating.

PS 213k
Nin 56k
X 115

PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

How bout new gen.

PS4 144k
wiiU 77k
X1 42

Once agian PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

Really want to see the stregth of the PS brand.

PS3 67k
X1 76k
WIIU 42

Not only is the nearly decade old PS3 holding its own vs the Xbox1 but its beating the Wiiu, how about that for current brand strength ?

 

Wanna talk Europe specifically.

Top 5 selling games in Europe are on PS.
11 of the top 15 are on PS.  
PS3 and PS4 COD Fifa GTA BF4 AC4 all currently chart higher then 360 XB1 versions. 

then there is this Europe only hardware.

PS4 61,285
PS3 24,053
XOne 17,844
360 12,749
WiiU 9,895
Wii 6,944

Two of the top selling consoles are PS
PS3 is out selling Wii and WiiU combined
PS3 is out selling Wii WIIu 360 X1
PS4 alone is selling double the entire Xbox brand (360 and X1)
PS3 and PS4 are out selling all Nintendo and Xbox consoles.

And all this with a supply constrained out of stock PS4

 So "not strong over its competition" in your eyes ? dont worry with Japan soon added to the count PS brand and PS4 will tower over the competition even more.  Maybe then ill be strong enough.

Is this not domminating ? 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.



FlamingWeazel said:
DJEVOLVE said:


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.

I'm starting to think you are very new to this. It only was a success when they cut the price in 6 months.



DJEVOLVE said:
FlamingWeazel said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.

I'm starting to think you are very new to this. It only was a success when they cut the price in 6 months.


I am thinking you have amnesia. Look at ps3's launch, then comapre to 360.... HINT, Ps3 sold more.



DJEVOLVE said:
FlamingWeazel said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.

I'm starting to think you are very new to this. It only was a success when they cut the price in 6 months.

First week sales. 86,742

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39033/Global/

First month sales. 687,424  Xbox launch month was 1,178,267, Almost twice that of sony.

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39061/Global/

First 2 months of sales 1,478,133

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39096/Global/

First 3 months on sale 1,769,656

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39124/Global/

First 4 months on sale 2,032,557

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39152/Global/

First 5 months on sale 3,074,088

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39187/Global/]

First 6 months on sale. 3,387,368

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39215/Global/

First 7 months on sale 3,700,775

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39250/Global/

First 8 months on sale. 3,981,453

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39278/Global/

First 9 months on sale 4,397,779

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39306/Global/

First 10 months on sale 4,871,782

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39341/Global/

First 11 months on sale 5,277,636

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39369/Global/

First 12 months on sale 6,017,487

 

Sorry Sony's first price cut was in July of 2007 only 8 months after launch. This is when they started seeing better sales.

 

So once again You'er wrong.