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North America or Europe? - continent wise

North America 320 50.24%
 
Europe 313 49.14%
 
Total:633

Just for curiosity, what would happen if we factoy in the economic factors?

I mean, Europe is still in crisis but its debt problems aren't alarming, meanwhile the US seems (at least from here) to be getting out of the crisis but its debt problem is worrisome. Don't know how Mexico and Canada are.

I think China will decide who wins or loses simply by buying or not the debt .



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JEMC said:
Just for curiosity, what would happen if we factoy in the economic factors?

I mean, Europe is still in crisis but its debt problems aren't alarming, meanwhile the US seems (at least from here) to be getting out of the crisis but its debt problem is worrisome. Don't know how Mexico and Canada are.

I think China will decide who wins or loses simply by buying or not the debt .


Debt sort of goes out the window when war starts... at least a war like this.


One would assume companies would just take over all local industries related to the war efforts for such a huge war... and unlike say, Japan... both sides do have resources.


Canada actually has about double the oil reserves Russia does.

 

Hell, oddly enough foreign debt actually serves as a bonus rather then a negative... because if the US falls...

suddenly China loses all that money.



Kasz216 said:

Hell, oddly enough foreign debt actually serves as a bonus rather then a negative... because if the US falls...

suddenly China loses all that money.

That's very true.

But at the same time, that would bring a new Col War, this time between China and the US (not that it doesn't exist now, but it will be more obvious). And I don't know if China wants that. They are quite comfortable being the bank of the rest of the countries while menacing Korea and Japan from time to time without doing anything.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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Military-wise Europe here is not a huger factor, more of a theatre of war, so realistically in order to choke America down you need to cut it off from its energy resources, which is problematic as of now. The US energy balance within its national borders long past its oil peak, past its gas peak few years ago, not a survivor on its own understandably. But let's brake down the US energy reserves outside of its national borders:

- Middle East -- the easiest part, a lot of regional allies, doable (well, if you consider THIS kind of scenario then that's doable).
- Western Africa, Nigeria -- already a problematic venture military-wise, but with applying soft power a doable scenario if European nations will play along here.
- South America -- practically not possible and not worth it.
- Canada -- a personal US oil colony, unrealistic, in few decades to come it's a bottomless oil barrel.

- North-Atlantic routes -- doable.
- Middle- and South-Atlantic routes  -- problematic.
- Pacific routes -- unrealistic.

Not including nuclear energy here (biggest uranium mines and enrichement capacities are over here anyway) or any kind of other energy  due to its small share, America is an oil empire down to its core.

 

But more importantly why would anyone would want that kind of military conflict? Personally my plans do not go any further than enslavement of Europe for now :D It's very realistic and beneficial, and taking in consideration the US position, could be mutually  beneficial. I think we should be friends with the Americas (both of them).  Was reading through Nyquist -- he was writing about some French "euroasianist" (not sure what's the word for him would be, but it's opposite of "euroatlantism" -- well, you got the idea) -- personally I don't need a philosophical explanation for why Europe must be enslaved, but if exists -- so be it.

 

Here's more or less an idea of my world:



JEMC said:
Just for curiosity, what would happen if we factoy in the economic factors?

I mean, Europe is still in crisis but its debt problems aren't alarming, meanwhile the US seems (at least from here) to be getting out of the crisis but its debt problem is worrisome. Don't know how Mexico and Canada are.

I think China will decide who wins or loses simply by buying or not the debt .

Depends entirely upon the rules of engagement, initiative (who makes the first strike), who has the populace behind them, and what the end-game is.  If it's a conflict that will end up in occupation, that would weigh heavily on either side.  If it's simply reducing the others way of life to a pile of rubble, it's not as costly.  Plus, the US has about 188 Trillion dollars in total assets, so even with the economy as fragile as it is, it's still extremely wealthy.