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ktay95 said:
And Australia's down there like WTF

You guys miss the fun all the damn time! This makes my black little heart hurt really badly. ;(



                
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I seriously don't understand the outcry.

All newspapers over here focus on that irrelevant "Fuck the EU"-statement. But the really troublesome aspect about that conversation is not some stupid three-word-phrase that everyone would say in a conversation expected to be private - it's the fact that the US is apparantly actively spurring these riots, and is already considering which politicians they want to install in a changed government.

Which reminds of recent analysis by US intelligence service Stratfor:
"For Russia, Ukraine’s future is closely connected with its own future. Ukraine is an area reaching deeply into Russia’s heartland. If it lost Ukraine from its sphere of influence, Russia could no longer be defended. The main transit route for Russian energy carriers towards the West, the basis of Russian economy, runs through Ukraine. This implies that Russia will fight bitterly for keeping the greatest influence in Ukraine.
For the United States, the support of certain Ukrainian political forces is the most efficient means to push Russia back. Recently, Moscow has repeatedly outmaneuvered Washington, most prominently with respect to Syria and the Edward Snowdon affair. US support for the protest movements in Ukraine are a means to restrict Russia’s attentions to its own region and to keep it from an offensive against the United States.
[...]
Russian behavior in the Snowden affair has angered Washington and opened the possibility that the United States might be happy to create some problems for Moscow ahead of the Sochi Olympics. The U.S. government may not be supporting nongovernmental organizations as much as its counterparts in Europe are, but it is still involved somewhat. In fact, Washington may even have enjoyed putting Russia on the defensive after having been put on the defensive by Russia in recent months.
[...]
The United States is interested in Ukraine as an irritant to Russia but is unwilling to take serious risks."

 

So it seems to be pretty much like this: The US is trying to fuck Russia (as a punishment for giving asylum to Snowden & crossing US plans for Syria) by spurring the riots, and now russia is fucking back by leaking embarrassing statements by US officials that reveal the true motives of US behaviour regarding Ukraine.



@ArnoldRimmer 

Lol and I thought the cold war was over



DamnTastic said:

@ArnoldRimmer 

Lol and I thought the cold war was over


It wasn't to begin with and it won't...

USA and Russia will always point nukes and guns at each other...

People saying that EU is bad are bat shit insane, specially UK... If they want to leave EU, then leave the EU and don't come crying back to it when your economy collapses when you stop being a commercial/trade gateway for USA, Canada, Japan and South American countries to access huge market that is called the EU.

As long EU eixsts, we are relatively safe to shit that is going out in the world and we won't be easily dragged into potential war between USA and Russia.

I am currently waiting to see when USA will invade Canada, it is bound to happen sooner or later when oil runs out... Somewhere in 2020-2030+.

Goverment of USA is just bunch of cry babies and kids playing war and Kings, Lords & Knaves...



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eyeofcore said:
 

It wasn't to begin with and it won't...

USA and Russia will always point nukes and guns at each other...

People saying that EU is bad are bat shit insane, specially UK... If they want to leave EU, then leave the EU and don't come crying back to it when your economy collapses when you stop being a commercial/trade gateway for USA, Canada, Japan and South American countries to access huge market that is called the EU.

As long EU eixsts, we are relatively safe to shit that is going out in the world and we won't be easily dragged into potential war between USA and Russia.

I am currently waiting to see when USA will invade Canada, it is bound to happen sooner or later when oil runs out... Somewhere in 2020-2030+.

Goverment of USA is just bunch of cry babies and kids playing war and Kings, Lords & Knaves...


A lot of european countries would benefit from leaving the EU. Switzerland, Norway and Iceland are fine outside the EU - in fact, they are the three of the richest european countries right now, with their own currencies and with the added benefit of setting their own commercial laws and agreements.

Besides, without France and the UK, what's left of the EU is a mostly non-dynamic, nuclear-less and aging economic bloc who would succumb to negative social dynamics and deflationary pressure before the 30's. Add Turkey and you have a perfect Mitteleuropa a hundred years late, except this time around with dying, unbalance3d populations and a matter of laughter instead of concern to both France and the UK...



 

 

 

 

 

DamnTastic said:

@ArnoldRimmer 

Lol and I thought the cold war was over

The cold war may be over, but nations striving for global hegemony etc. is a neverending story.

The end of the cold war pretty much only meant that the facade of a war between ideologies had to be dropped and replaced by something else. A good example being NATO, which by its official understanding would have pretty much lost its right to exist by the end of the cold war - and yet, the NATO budget even grew after the end of the cold war, and is currently about 200-300% of even the highest budget during decades of cold war.



ArnoldRimmer said:

I seriously don't understand the outcry.

 All newspapers over here focus on that irrelevant "Fuck the EU"-statement. But the really troublesome aspect about that conversation is not some stupid three-word-phrase that everyone would say in a conversation expected to be private - it's the fact that the US is apparantly actively spurring these riots, and is already considering which politicians they want to install in a changed government.

News at eleven!

Here's another one for ya, Schmidt-Tombinsky talk, same topic:

 Neither of these records have anything big to reveal honsetly. What is more puzzling is why SBU, or whoever, leaked these.

ArnoldRimmer said:

For Russia, Ukraine’s future is closely connected with its own future. Ukraine is an area reaching deeply into Russia’s heartland. If it lost Ukraine from its sphere of influence, Russia could no longer be defended. The main transit route for Russian energy carriers towards the West, the basis of Russian economy, runs through Ukraine. This implies that Russia will fight bitterly for keeping the greatest influence in Ukraine.

Starting from the premise it's wrong.



DamnTastic said:

@ArnoldRimmer 

Lol and I thought the cold war was over

When everyone is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before (R.Kipling)



Huh. and here i thought it was the EU that was agitating the protests.