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superhippy420 said:
Locknuts said:
Sal.Paradise said:

'Time to panic' was about a year ago, and they did, in their own way, by showing games like FE x SMT off long before their release date. I'm also going to presume that's when they greenlit that Dynatsy Warriors game because what the fuck

This. I wish they'd hurry up and panic again this year though.

There really isn't much Nintendo can do overnight though.   Games take time to develop and they fucked themselves by not having the software that could actually move consoles out earlier.     The 3DS in 2013 had 14 games in the top 100 sellers. The Wii had 8.  The Wii U only had 6 and one of those was Super Luigi U which was really a DLC pack.    Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Lego City Undercover, Sonic Lost World, Game and Wario.  All games that were not even able to crack the top 100 that Nintendo used alot of resources and time on.    Sonic Lost World's entire game should have been like the Yoshi and Zelda DLC.  An entire Sonic game based around Sonic going to different Nintendo worlds, in a Sonic Style game.  Would have sold like hotcakes.   Pikmin 3 I can almost let go, but it really should have come out later in the generation.   Wonderful 101 should have either had Mii's or Nintendo charecters.  The game itself is already a niche title, but made it a completly new IP and it never stood a chance.     Nintendo can no doubt turn it around but they need to bring the heat.  Metroid Prime 4 with a heavy emphasis on online play.   Zelda with a heavy emphasis on non-linear and less disney style graphics.   A True new Wii Sports that incorporates the Gamepad.   The Wii Sports Club Golf is brilliant.  It's a simple addition but adds alot to the game.   People still love WIi Sports, make a real new one.

A January 2013 level direct is all I'm really after. I understand that the games take time. Hopefully Miyamoto's comments that they have 'overcome challenges with first part development' mean that the games will start flowing more steadily from this year on.



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ironmanDX said:
betacon said:
ironmanDX said:
How quickly people forget that the Wii would have outsold the PS3 by similar numbers at the beginning of last gen.


Convenient amnesia, I guess...


And? You do know people were saying the ps3 was dead and will be discontinued with bigger numbers than the wii U, right?


The ratio remains. That's what the thread is about.

You'd think the fans would be a little more sympathetic. Not really seeing to many Ninty is doomed threads from MS fans, that's for sure. MS is easily... in the best position financially of the 3 also. I'm over the WiiU threads, so are they. There have been several "stop the doom threads". It's getting boring.


Goes both ways, unless you've had youre head in the sand for 2 years, there's been weekly sales threads comparing the vita and 3ds for almost a year, people get way too invested and hurt over nothing.



Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:
The Wii U has a better library of games now than the 3DS did when it "took off"

Mario Kart 7, Mario 3D Land, Nintendogs + cats, Pilotwings Resort, Super Street Fighter IV, Zelda: OoT 3D, Star Fox 64 3D, Dead Or Alive 3D

versus

New Super Mario Bros. U, New Super Luigi U, Mario 3D World, Pikmin 3, Nintendo Land, The Wonderful 101, LEGO City, Zelda: WWHD, Wii Party U, Wii Sports Club, Zombi U, Sonic Lost World, Rayman Legends, and a new DKC in a few weeks.

Shouldn't sales be exploding like the 3DS? Truth is you can't compare Nintendo handhelds to consoles, Nintendo handhelds always sell far more (especially when there's no mega-popular controller gimmick anchoring the console).

If ur going to count ZombiU, Sonic Lost World, Rayman Legends and Lego City for Wii U, u should add Resident Evil Mercenaries, Sonic Generations, Rayman 3D, Lego Star Wars for 3DS. Also Monster Hunter 3G was huge In Japan and the first time that game was released on handhelds where the series thrives.

Also 3DS went from $250 to $170 or roughly 1/3 of the price cut off. Wii U would have had a price cut to $250 for the Deluxe model to match that. So really the line ups to this point of time are roughly equal and 3DS had a much larger price reduction.

Im not saying ur wrong, just that ur missing a few key points.


Fair enough, but you can then also had many other pretty decent multiplats for the Wii U. Point is there basically no acceleration in the Wii U relative to it getting better games. 

Iwata called last holiday season the worst one Nintendo's ever had in the Western markets with him as president. Something is wrong here beyond just "they just need to release Smash Bros dooood". 

Ur right u can add those games for Wii U just like I can add a bunch of 3DS games u missed like Steel Diver, Pokemon Rumble Blast, Shinobi, Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Sims 3, Ridge Racer, Super Monkey Ball, Cooking Mama 4, Skylanders, Lego Pirates of the Caribbean, Madden, FIFA, Professor Layton (Japan), Tales of the Abyss (Japan). The point is neither has a significant advantage when comparing 3DS at the end of 2011 and Wii U at the end of 2013.

I dont know what the point of ur second paragraph is, nothing I said implied I thought "they just need to release Smash Bros dooood"



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DerNebel said:
ironmanDX said:
betacon said:


And? You do know people were saying the ps3 was dead and will be discontinued with bigger numbers than the wii U, right?


The ratio remains. That's what the thread is about.

You'd think the fans would be a little more sympathetic. Not really seeing to many Ninty is doomed threads from MS fans, that's for sure. MS is easily... in the best position financially of the 3 also. I'm over the WiiU threads, so are they. There have been several "stop the doom threads". It's getting boring.

You don't really see many Xbox fans in the sales threads anymore anyway, I supposed they know that the X1 isn't doing so hot right now itself, so they don't want to discuss sales.


What... It's outpacing most consoles ever in the same time frame since launch.... Just because it's behind the PS4 doesn't mean it isn't doing well.



Even if wii U does get some awesome games, that will only help it match or slightly beat the PS4 for a few weeks or months. What about the rest of the year?



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I'm not sure, but I think PS2 beat GameCube by more and that console had good games and made a profit. So who cares?



Time to panic? For whom? And why? Sales are bad for WiiU, but what does panic achieve? NIntendo probably will try to stabilize sales and else write the WiiU off as another Gamecube or Vita. They will make money with games on 3DS and try to be successful with their Quality of Life platform.

Can MK and Smash breathe new life into the WiiU? Well, is it already dead? Is the Vita dead,that has similar sales? I don't think you would declare death for the Vita, so I assume we can agree WiiU isn't dead either. So the answer to your question is no, MK and Smash cannot breathe new life into WiiU, as it already is alive.

EDIT:Also nice to see all the ..., well 'not Nintendo-fans' are worrying about WiiU recently. Soundwave, regging_bolas, you and probably many more have threads about the state of WiiU or Nintendo.



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ironmanDX said:
DerNebel said:

You don't really see many Xbox fans in the sales threads anymore anyway, I supposed they know that the X1 isn't doing so hot right now itself, so they don't want to discuss sales.


What... It's outpacing most consoles ever in the same time frame since launch.... Just because it's behind the PS4 doesn't mean it isn't doing well.

It had a great launch period and is now falling fast, especially because of its very poor performance in Europe. The X1s January sales are at the moment trailing behind the 360s first January.



benji232 said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Soundwave said:

PS4? Forget PS4, Nintendo needs to work hard just to get the Wii U to sell at GameCube levels.

I also have the feeling those VGChartz Wii U numbers for the US market are overtracked. 


What would bring you to that conclusion? They were substantially undertracked last time compared to NPD. 

Nintendo projected 2.8 million for this fiscal year not to long ago, witch is till the end of March. VGChartz already has the Wii-U at 2.8 million from March last year, with about 10 weeks of sales to go. Sure Wii-U will have smaller stock now, but even at Wii-U sales levels we are talking 400k-500k.

Not sure if someone already answered you (too lazy to read through every post), however, if you were following their financials last year, you would have known that they had significantly overshipped in Q3-Q4 of their fiscal year 2012 leading to very very low shipments for Q1-Q2 2013 given how slowly the system was selling. So yea, in this case, shipments will indeed be lower then what they actually sold to consumers.

I agree there was a lot of extra stock that hade to sell first(including the models with smaller storage space) but half a million units seems igh to me.



DerNebel said:
ironmanDX said:
DerNebel said:

You don't really see many Xbox fans in the sales threads anymore anyway, I supposed they know that the X1 isn't doing so hot right now itself, so they don't want to discuss sales.


What... It's outpacing most consoles ever in the same time frame since launch.... Just because it's behind the PS4 doesn't mean it isn't doing well.

It had a great launch period and is now falling fast, especially because of its very poor performance in Europe. The X1s January sales are at the moment trailing behind the 360s first January.


The 360 had shortages in December... like the PS4. Xbox One only sold out for a short duration but supply has been good for the most part this generation.