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kurasakiichimaru on 05 February 2014

Good for PS4. It still seemed undertracked though considering the new shipments that arrived that instantly sold through.

Xb1 seems horrible making Wii U look like an improvement over sales to me. I won't doubt if the new rivalry is going to be between WiiU and Xb1. Wii U still has some aces in their cards to match or stay ahead Xb1.



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KingofTrolls on 05 February 2014
zorg1000 said:


The main reason 360 did well compared to PS3 in Europe was the 1.5 year lead and the much lower price. One doesnt have those advantages so it makes sense why its doing so poorly.


It's not doin poorly, it got very good sales.  Over 3 mln already is very good. They are making money, that's important. 

If MS really wanna to be 1st that hard, just cut the price+ Kinectless SKU+ release worldwide.



Xenostar on 05 February 2014

Have to wonder whats taking them so long to release world wide, theyve got the stock and the production. Im guessing there just not deviating from there original schedule.



ArmGunar on 05 February 2014
KingofTrolls said:
zorg1000 said:


The main reason 360 did well compared to PS3 in Europe was the 1.5 year lead and the much lower price. One doesnt have those advantages so it makes sense why its doing so poorly.


It's not doin poorly, it got very good sales.  Over 3 mln already is very good. They are making money, that's important. 

If MS really wanna to be 1st that hard, just cut the price+ Kinectless SKU+ release worldwide.

He meant " One is doing poorly compared to PS4 in EUROPE " ^^



Xenostar on 05 February 2014
ArmGunar said:
KingofTrolls said:
zorg1000 said:


The main reason 360 did well compared to PS3 in Europe was the 1.5 year lead and the much lower price. One doesnt have those advantages so it makes sense why its doing so poorly.


It's not doin poorly, it got very good sales.  Over 3 mln already is very good. They are making money, that's important. 

If MS really wanna to be 1st that hard, just cut the price+ Kinectless SKU+ release worldwide.

He meant " One is doing poorly compared to PS4 in EUROPE " ^^


Its doing poor in Europe by any standard, its being outsold by the 7 year old PS3 :(



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ArmGunar on 05 February 2014
Xenostar said:
ArmGunar said:
KingofTrolls said:
zorg1000 said:


The main reason 360 did well compared to PS3 in Europe was the 1.5 year lead and the much lower price. One doesnt have those advantages so it makes sense why its doing so poorly.


It's not doin poorly, it got very good sales.  Over 3 mln already is very good. They are making money, that's important. 

If MS really wanna to be 1st that hard, just cut the price+ Kinectless SKU+ release worldwide.

He meant " One is doing poorly compared to PS4 in EUROPE " ^^


Its doing poor in Europe by any standard, its being outsold by the 7 year old PS3 :(

PS3 is still a strong console which has and will have plenty of exclusives in 2014 and is cheaper than One (500€ is very expensive), that makes sense for me ^^



Justagamer on 05 February 2014
zorg1000 said:
Justagamer said:
zorg1000 said:
Justagamer said:
zorg1000 said:
Justagamer said:


I see it now. But I still think that shows it's the red headed stepchild. It released in the holiday season, and sold less than the $200 xl model. I still say that if they sell the real 3d base model and the xl cheap, sales will jump up substantially. Something like, $99-$119 for the base 3ds and $149 for the xl. I just think people want the real 3ds with the 3d capability, that's why the $200 model is still the best seller. I mean hell, the 3ds is till going for $170-$200 after 3 years! Anyway, I enjoyed our back and forth, thanks! That's why I finally signed up! To have some good conversations, civil conversations. Talk to you later, sir.


No problem and im glad u joined for good reasons, it seems that alot of people join to talk up there console of choice and trash others. Theres something else I want to add to our conversation before u go.

Ur right in theory a hefty price cut on the original 3DS and XL would likely give a nice boost, the first price cut was 2.5 years ago and the XL released 1.5 years ago so a price cut seems like it should be right around the corner. In reality tho a price cut just simply isnt an option for Nintendo right now. Nintendo is expecting to post a loss this fiscal year and Wii U is still being sold at a loss, they need the 3DS/XL to remain at there current prices in order to help offset these losses.

Thats why I believe they released the 2DS in the first place, a price cut on the other models isnt possible but they needed a lower entry point to prevent sales from stagnating too much so they released a bare bones entry level sku. At the very earliest I can see a price cut in late summer/early fall to something like 2DS $99, 3DS $129-139, XL $149-169. This will give sales nice bump initially but 3 years after the first price cut, 2 years after XL release and one year after 2DS release are people really holding off on purchasing these for a $30-50 price reduction when u coild easily find them at those prices over the holidays?


Good point about Nintendo needing to keep the price up for their bottom line. I do think a lot of people do hold off on buying things until it's "worth it", there's a lot of people that see a price of an item and don't really think of picking one up on the cheap for just the holidays. Those low prices aren't the larger percentage of them being sold either, the stores usually have a limited amount to sell. Those are usually door busters, I tried to get one for my youngest daughter, got there early, and they were gone, store only had 20 at that price. There's a lot of cheapskates, like me, who will only get one when the price is right. Just like the ps3, the base model was $500, but sold like crap, because people just can't pull the trigger for that kind of money... If the ps4 was $500 it would sell like the x1, I think, and it's problem would be that $100.... You must take into consideration too, the price of entry isn't just the cost of the machine.... A game, sometimes a me memory card... The cheaper the machine, the cheaper the total package, and those who wait for price drops, also have the luxury of getting great games at a bargain too. So that $170 base 3ds+a $40 game for $210, could be $120+$20 for $140, that's a huge difference. Anyway, again, good conversation! I love this! I am sorry for my wall of text tho.... I'll try to be better with paragraphs, I'm on my phone, sometimes I get too into just typing away, you know? Have a good night.

PS3 launch price is a bad example. Ur talking about $500-600 vs $170-200, thats literly 3 times as much. It more similar to when PS3 was $250-300 and people were talking about how it had yet to reach the $199 "sweet spot", well it has a $199 sku now and sales are down massively. There comes a point in a console/handhelds life where price cuts simply dont cause massive boosts outside of a few weeks and are meant to just slow down the decline.

For example if 360 had a price cut to $149 for the 4gb model and $199 for the 250gb/4gb+Kinect models would it cause sales to increase massively? Most likely it would just help reduce the YoY decline.

By the time 3DS reaches $99-119 ur probably looking at a 5 year old device with all its major software already released and a successor around the corner. The majority of people interested in it will have already purchased one. Of course there will still be people getting it as an impulse buy or for young kids just starting out gaming.


I think it is a fair comparison, but, I'm comparing a 500-600 machine to a 400 machine, and a 200 handheld to a 120 handheld. The ps3 started to catch the x360 when it it hit 400. Console prices vs handheld prices are two different things. Because the ps360 are 8 years old tho, 149 isn't cheap enough. I picked up an Xbox before the 360 came out with two game for 100, at costco. If the ps360 go to $99, which they should be, they could sell very well. And remember those consoles are in the rear view mirror now, the 3ds is still in its prime, and can still be in its prime arch when it hits 5 years old. So, a $170-$200 3ds is still a lot more than traditional Nintendo handhelds have been. So I stand by my idea that a big price cut will stimulate 3ds sales massively, because even tho it's sold well, it hasn't reach a point of saturation yet. It will only do that at the right price. Even tho Nintendo may not want to drop the price, they will when they need to. I think it will make a huge difference too.



retroking1981 on 05 February 2014

So 3DS...

vchartz has:
2012 selling 14.1m
2013 selling 14.8m

How is that a decline? Don't get me wrong with 2DS, Pokemon and MH it should have been up a lot more.



Kresnik on 05 February 2014
retroking1981 said:
So 3DS...

vchartz has:
2012 selling 14.1m
2013 selling 14.8m

How is that a decline? Don't get me wrong with 2DS, Pokemon and MH it should have been up a lot more.


If you're talking to me, I was just going off what Tbone had said.  We were both wrong :P

(I think shipments were lower in 2013 than 2012, but that's neither here nor there on a sellthrough site).



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Justagamer on 05 February 2014
Kresnik said:
retroking1981 said:
So 3DS...

vchartz has:
2012 selling 14.1m
2013 selling 14.8m

How is that a decline? Don't get me wrong with 2DS, Pokemon and MH it should have been up a lot more.


If you're talking to me, I was just going off what Tbone had said.  We were both wrong :P

(I think shipments were lower in 2013 than 2012, but that's neither here nor there on a sellthrough site).

Finally someone posted the numbers! This is what I've been thinking too, how can people be constantly saying it's down, when it's up? I still don't think it's peaked either, sure it's down in Japan so far, but I don't believe Nintendo will let that just go by without doing something, be it a new 3dsi or a pretty hefty price cut, or both. I find it funny too, when people look at the known list of games for 2014, and say that's it. When have they ever released the games list for the entire year without anything added or a bunch of new games added later on? How many new awesome games kept and keep coming to the 8 year old consoles? I'm sorry but new games are coming, and there will be a big new game somewhere that no one saw coming, it's always happened. I find it strange that so many are already calling for the demise of the 3ds, when to me, it's bright future is sitting right in front of it.... And that statement is not directed at either of you, just in general.