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I have tried to use game that were know from PS2 owners like FF MGS GTA GT.
Halo is not a PS game, since it is Xbox exclusive, but a lot of PS owners are interested in playing it (because if there was 1 very famous game on Xbox it was Halo). Halo is typically the type of game that PS2 owners would have been happy to play. Mario is not. Mario is an exclusive Nintendo game that don't really appeal PS2 owners (too cartoon)

I was just stated that if PS2 owners want to play to their favorite game, they have to purchase PS3 or Xbox360. Yes, Halo is not a favorite PS2owners game but I m pretty sure they will be happy to test it since there is a lot of hype on it.

If Wii is able to get some of these "cinematic game" (like Halo/FF/GTA/GT are), that have make the popularity of the PS name, then it will better attract PS2 owners.
That is all I wanted to say :

Wiimote + nintendo "good-cartoon-game" + PS "cinematic game" + low price
==> Wii WIN by KO

And man, I never saied "fuck u"
So keep ur rude language for yourself,
I just answered u that I never stated that "Halo is coming to PS2"
as you were suggesting in your first 1 line post completely out of the thread.
Take it easy next time, thx u.


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He's saying that PS3 and 360 have the same kind of gamers. That's why PS2 owners might like Halo over Mario.




yes this is what I m trying to say.
For the moment Wii sell very well but dont have "cinematic game" except maybe RE4.
So a part of PS2 owners, those that are looking for cinematic game, are not very interested in Wii.
So if Wii want to attract these gamer, it should possess some cinematic game too.
Why not sharing the multiplateform game like Xbox360 and PS3 are doing by adapting the game graphism with Wii ?
Maybe, E3 will reveal some big news about it.

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libellule said:


And man, I never saied "fuck u"
So keep ur rude language for yourself,
I just answered u that I never stated that "Halo is coming to PS2"
as you were suggesting in your first 1 line post completely out of the thread.
Take it easy next time, thx u.

Next time don't tell me to go to hell or shut my mouth.

As for Halo, I know what you didn't say. My point was merely that it was an odd choice to include in the midst of a bunch of mostly PS-exclusive (or formerly exclusive) franchises like Final Fantasy.

 



libellule said:


And man, I never saied "fuck u"
So keep ur rude language for yourself,
I just answered u that I never stated that "Halo is coming to PS2"
as you were suggesting in your first 1 line post completely out of the thread.
Take it easy next time, thx u.

Next time don't tell me to go to hell or shut my mouth.

As for Halo, I know what you didn't say. My point was merely that it was an odd choice to include in the midst of a bunch of mostly PS-exclusive (or formerly exclusive) franchises like Final Fantasy.

 



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libellule said:

I have tried to use game that were know from PS2 owners like FF MGS GTA GT.
Halo is not a PS game, since it is Xbox exclusive, but a lot of PS owners are interested in playing it (because if there was 1 very famous game on Xbox it was Halo). Halo is typically the type of game that PS2 owners would have been happy to play. Mario is not. Mario is an exclusive Nintendo game that don't really appeal PS2 owners (too cartoon)

I was just stated that if PS2 owners want to play to their favorite game, they have to purchase PS3 or Xbox360. Yes, Halo is not a favorite PS2owners game but I m pretty sure they will be happy to test it since there is a lot of hype on it.

If Wii is able to get some of these "cinematic game" (like Halo/FF/GTA/GT are), that have make the popularity of the PS name, then it will better attract PS2 owners.
That is all I wanted to say :

Wiimote + nintendo "good-cartoon-game" + PS "cinematic game" + low price
==> Wii WIN by KO

And man, I never saied "fuck u"
So keep ur rude language for yourself,
I just answered u that I never stated that "Halo is coming to PS2"
as you were suggesting in your first 1 line post completely out of the thread.
Take it easy next time, thx u.

I don't really see your argument ...

Kingdom Hearts, Crash Bandicoot, Dragon Quest, Simpsons, Lego Starwars, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Sonic, Dragon Ball Z, Everybody's Golf and so on are all multi-million selling games with a very similar cartoon style to Mario ... Had Mario (or any Nintendo property) been released for the Playstation it would have been one of the top selling games.

People bought the Playstation for other games, they didn't "avoid buying the Gamecube/N64 because it had Mario on it" ... The fact of the matter is the Wii will likely have more games released for it meaning it will have more "other games" that attract users than the PS3 will have



HappySqurriel said:
libellule said:

I have tried to use game that were know from PS2 owners like FF MGS GTA GT.
Halo is not a PS game, since it is Xbox exclusive, but a lot of PS owners are interested in playing it (because if there was 1 very famous game on Xbox it was Halo). Halo is typically the type of game that PS2 owners would have been happy to play. Mario is not. Mario is an exclusive Nintendo game that don't really appeal PS2 owners (too cartoon)

I was just stated that if PS2 owners want to play to their favorite game, they have to purchase PS3 or Xbox360. Yes, Halo is not a favorite PS2owners game but I m pretty sure they will be happy to test it since there is a lot of hype on it.

If Wii is able to get some of these "cinematic game" (like Halo/FF/GTA/GT are), that have make the popularity of the PS name, then it will better attract PS2 owners.
That is all I wanted to say :

Wiimote + nintendo "good-cartoon-game" + PS "cinematic game" + low price
==> Wii WIN by KO

And man, I never saied "fuck u"
So keep ur rude language for yourself,
I just answered u that I never stated that "Halo is coming to PS2"
as you were suggesting in your first 1 line post completely out of the thread.
Take it easy next time, thx u.

I don't really see your argument ...

Kingdom Hearts, Crash Bandicoot, Dragon Quest, Simpsons, Lego Starwars, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Sonic, Dragon Ball Z, Everybody's Golf and so on are all multi-million selling games with a very similar cartoon style to Mario ... Had Mario (or any Nintendo property) been released for the Playstation it would have been one of the top selling games.

People bought the Playstation for other games, they didn't "avoid buying the Gamecube/N64 because it had Mario on it" ... The fact of the matter is the Wii will likely have more games released for it meaning it will have more "other games" that attract users than the PS3 will have

More other games the wii will have than the ps3 will ever have? there is no proof to know that the wii would have more games than the ps3 will have in the future, According to sony the ps3 will have some 150+ games by march 08, three are not much if any hardcore wii games. The ps3 has some hardcore games coming in the near future with uncharted being one of those other games you talk about. The fact of the matter is that the ps3 will have more hardcore games than the wii might have in the long term.

 



 

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HappySqurriel said:
libellule said:

I have tried to use game that were know from PS2 owners like FF MGS GTA GT.
Halo is not a PS game, since it is Xbox exclusive, but a lot of PS owners are interested in playing it (because if there was 1 very famous game on Xbox it was Halo). Halo is typically the type of game that PS2 owners would have been happy to play. Mario is not. Mario is an exclusive Nintendo game that don't really appeal PS2 owners (too cartoon)

I was just stated that if PS2 owners want to play to their favorite game, they have to purchase PS3 or Xbox360. Yes, Halo is not a favorite PS2owners game but I m pretty sure they will be happy to test it since there is a lot of hype on it.

If Wii is able to get some of these "cinematic game" (like Halo/FF/GTA/GT are), that have make the popularity of the PS name, then it will better attract PS2 owners.
That is all I wanted to say :

Wiimote + nintendo "good-cartoon-game" + PS "cinematic game" + low price
==> Wii WIN by KO

And man, I never saied "fuck u"
So keep ur rude language for yourself,
I just answered u that I never stated that "Halo is coming to PS2"
as you were suggesting in your first 1 line post completely out of the thread.
Take it easy next time, thx u.

I don't really see your argument ...

Kingdom Hearts, Crash Bandicoot, Dragon Quest, Simpsons, Lego Starwars, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Sonic, Dragon Ball Z, Everybody's Golf and so on are all multi-million selling games with a very similar cartoon style to Mario ... Had Mario (or any Nintendo property) been released for the Playstation it would have been one of the top selling games.

People bought the Playstation for other games, they didn't "avoid buying the Gamecube/N64 because it had Mario on it" ... The fact of the matter is the Wii will likely have more games released for it meaning it will have more "other games" that attract users than the PS3 will have

 

Question 1: How many PS2 owners also own a GBA/DS and a Mario game?

Question 2: How quickly would Sony fanboys have raised the roof if Nintendo had gone software-only and declared Mario a Sony exclusive franchise?

Question 3: There are 120+ million PS2s out there. The best selling franchise (GTA) sold upwards of 13 million copies each, barely a 10% attach rate. The other top franchises were Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts (could be lumped in with FF), MGS, Madden and Jax and Dexter. The rest of the million-selling games ranges from RE4 to Crash Bandicoot. So... what exactly is a typical PS gamer?

 



leo-j said:

More other games the wii will have than the ps3 will ever have? there is no proof to know that the wii would have more games than the ps3 will have in the future, According to sony the ps3 will have some 150+ games by march 08, three are not much if any hardcore wii games. The ps3 has some hardcore games coming in the near future with uncharted being one of those other games you talk about. The fact of the matter is that the ps3 will have more hardcore games than the wii might have in the long term.


It is simply a matter of ecconomics  [ Larger Userbase + Less Expensive Development = More games ] ...

The PS3 may have more "Hard-Core" games but most gamers are not interested in "Hard-Core" games. (By definition, a game being "Hard-Core" would imply that it didn't appeal to the masses)

Question 1: How many PS2 owners also own a GBA/DS and a Mario game?

A lot ...

The GBA and Nintendo DS were/are very popular systems and a large portion of PS2 owners would have owned both systems. It is likely that, since Mario Games are amazingly popular, a reasonably large portion of gamers bought both a PS2 and a Mario game for their portable system.

Question 2: How quickly would Sony fanboys have raised the roof if Nintendo had gone software-only and declared Mario a Sony exclusive franchise?

In an instant ...

Question 3: There are 120+ million PS2 owners out there. The best selling franchise (GTA) sold upwards of 13 million copies, barely 10%. The other top franchises were Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts (could be lumped in with FF), MGS, Madden and Jax and Dexter. The rest of the million-selling games ranges from RE4 to Crash Bandicoot. So... what exactly is a typical PS gamer?

I didn't imply there was a typical Playstation gamer ... I just said that people bought a Playstation for 'other games' (implying some unspecified game) and they didn't choose the Playstation to avoid Mario ...



HappySqurriel said:

leo-j said:

More other games the wii will have than the ps3 will ever have? there is no proof to know that the wii would have more games than the ps3 will have in the future, According to sony the ps3 will have some 150+ games by march 08, three are not much if any hardcore wii games. The ps3 has some hardcore games coming in the near future with uncharted being one of those other games you talk about. The fact of the matter is that the ps3 will have more hardcore games than the wii might have in the long term.


It is simply a matter of ecconomics  [ Larger Userbase + Less Expensive Development = More games ] ...

The PS3 may have more "Hard-Core" games but most gamers are not interested in "Hard-Core" games. (By definition, a game being "Hard-Core" would imply that it didn't appeal to the masses)

Question 1: How many PS2 owners also own a GBA/DS and a Mario game?

A lot ...

The GBA and Nintendo DS were/are very popular systems and a large portion of PS2 owners would have owned both systems. It is likely that, since Mario Games are amazingly popular, a reasonably large portion of gamers bought both a PS2 and a Mario game for their portable system.

Question 2: How quickly would Sony fanboys have raised the roof if Nintendo had gone software-only and declared Mario a Sony exclusive franchise?

In an instant ...

Question 3: There are 120+ million PS2 owners out there. The best selling franchise (GTA) sold upwards of 13 million copies, barely 10%. The other top franchises were Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts (could be lumped in with FF), MGS, Madden and Jax and Dexter. The rest of the million-selling games ranges from RE4 to Crash Bandicoot. So... what exactly is a typical PS gamer?

I didn't imply there was a typical Playstation gamer ... I just said that people bought a Playstation for 'other games' (implying some unspecified game) and they didn't choose the Playstation to avoid Mario ...


Understood. I wasn't under the impression that you said there was a typical PS2 gamer (that was lulubelle) -  I was attempting to reinforce your point.

Whatever finally comes down the pipe, there is so much diversity in the PS2 audience (which is to be expected given its size) that pretty much any game could tap into that market. So while there will be some who abhor Mario-type games, there will also be those that flock to it. If anything, the PS2's success just goes to show that the console that can appeal to the broadest variety of gamers has the best chance to succeed over all. Note lulubelle's earlier list of Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto, Grand Tourismo, and Metal Gear Solid actually has little comonality besides the platform, which, I think, makes lulu's comment that Mario (or pretty much any game - even shitty ones) are not a game that PS2 owners would play completely fallacious.