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QuintonMcLeod said:

kowenicki said:

 Lol.  All the same source ffs, all around the same time.  This is actually quite embarrassing now...

Look at the accounts, open your mind and learn something.

An opinion in an article is just that.  The accounts are fact.

If you knew anything about accounts and business you would know this is horse shit and wouldn't be posting it.  Therefore I'm guessing you know nothign about it.

 

Interesting. A new breed of blind fanboy loyalists.

I'll tell you what. Lets just use one source: Business Insider.

Business Insider said:

Microsoft is generating $2 billion per year in revenue from Android patent royalties, says Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund in a new note on the company.

 

He estimates that the Android revenue has a 95% margin, so it's pretty much all profit. 

This money, says Sherlund, helps Microsoft hide the fact that its mobile and Xbox groups are burning serious cash. 

For the past few years, Microsoft reported the revenue and operating losses of Entertainment and Devices, which was the group that housed Xbox, Windows Phone, and those Android royalty payments. 

 

That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money.

Sherlund says that if you back out the Android profits, Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform. 

Sherlund believes Microsoft needs to spin out Xbox. He sees it as an orphan group at Microsoft that doesn't really fit with anything it's doing. 

Investors are blind to Xbox's struggles, says Sherlund, because they are "concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11#ixzz2sCc0OpHI

 

Oh, and Forbes also has something to say about this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/07/is-it-game-over-for-the-xbox-one-thanks-to-mandatory-kinect/


Have you even read the MS financials?



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QuintonMcLeod said:

Microsoft is still losing money off the Xbox division, and have been for years. Pachter is a horrible analyst, and I doubt any business would ever take him seriously. Any business that does is in risk of losing a lot of money.


This is simply not true, ms has been making off the xbox division for years, and your comment shows zero lack of understanding of what xbox does for ms.



sully1311 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

kowenicki said:

 Lol.  All the same source ffs, all around the same time.  This is actually quite embarrassing now...

Look at the accounts, open your mind and learn something.

An opinion in an article is just that.  The accounts are fact.

If you knew anything about accounts and business you would know this is horse shit and wouldn't be posting it.  Therefore I'm guessing you know nothign about it.

 

Interesting. A new breed of blind fanboy loyalists.

I'll tell you what. Lets just use one source: Business Insider.

Business Insider said:

Microsoft is generating $2 billion per year in revenue from Android patent royalties, says Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund in a new note on the company.

 

He estimates that the Android revenue has a 95% margin, so it's pretty much all profit. 

This money, says Sherlund, helps Microsoft hide the fact that its mobile and Xbox groups are burning serious cash. 

For the past few years, Microsoft reported the revenue and operating losses of Entertainment and Devices, which was the group that housed Xbox, Windows Phone, and those Android royalty payments. 

 

That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money.

Sherlund says that if you back out the Android profits, Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform. 

Sherlund believes Microsoft needs to spin out Xbox. He sees it as an orphan group at Microsoft that doesn't really fit with anything it's doing. 

Investors are blind to Xbox's struggles, says Sherlund, because they are "concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11#ixzz2sCc0OpHI

 

Oh, and Forbes also has something to say about this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/07/is-it-game-over-for-the-xbox-one-thanks-to-mandatory-kinect/


Have you even read the MS financials?


The real question is: Have you?

Several publications are telling you that the Xbox division's financials are group up with other divisions. They also continue to say that a lot of the losses found are masked under android royalties. They are projecting around 2 billion dollars in losses for the Xbox division alone. This is with the Xbox One in mind.



scat398 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Microsoft is still losing money off the Xbox division, and have been for years. Pachter is a horrible analyst, and I doubt any business would ever take him seriously. Any business that does is in risk of losing a lot of money.


This is simply not true, ms has been making off the xbox division for years, and your comment shows zero lack of understanding of what xbox does for ms.


If only you knew the truth, my friend.



kowenicki said:
@QuintonMcleod

For god sake man.

You are listing story after story all written based on the SAME source.

You are clueless on this. Anyhow... see you in a few days when you get back.


If you say yea you are right then hopefully he will stop. He will be probably only a select few who still believe this but still. Let him have it lol



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QuintonMcLeod said:
scat398 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Microsoft is still losing money off the Xbox division, and have been for years. Pachter is a horrible analyst, and I doubt any business would ever take him seriously. Any business that does is in risk of losing a lot of money.


This is simply not true, ms has been making off the xbox division for years, and your comment shows zero lack of understanding of what xbox does for ms.


If only you knew the truth, my friend.


Xbox 360 Software sales + 11 years of Xbox Live Memberships + Xbox One priced at $500 = profit 



QuintonMcLeod said:

Microsoft is still losing money off the Xbox division, and have been for years. Pachter is a horrible analyst, and I doubt any business would ever take him seriously. Any business that does is in risk of losing a lot of money.


So we should take your knowledge on the subject?

As if.



Pachter said this? Microsoft rushing to sell the Xbox brand confirmed.
In all seriousness though... yeah, it's Patcher. Moving on.



kowenicki said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

kowenicki said:

 Lol.  All the same source ffs, all around the same time.  This is actually quite embarrassing now...

Look at the accounts, open your mind and learn something.

An opinion in an article is just that.  The accounts are fact.

If you knew anything about accounts and business you would know this is horse shit and wouldn't be posting it.  Therefore I'm guessing you know nothign about it.

 

Interesting. A new breed of blind fanboy loyalists.

I'll tell you what. Lets just use one source: Business Insider.

Business Insider said:

Microsoft is generating $2 billion per year in revenue from Android patent royalties, says Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund in a new note on the company.

 

He estimates that the Android revenue has a 95% margin, so it's pretty much all profit. 

This money, says Sherlund, helps Microsoft hide the fact that its mobile and Xbox groups are burning serious cash. 

For the past few years, Microsoft reported the revenue and operating losses of Entertainment and Devices, which was the group that housed Xbox, Windows Phone, and those Android royalty payments. 

 

That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money.

Sherlund says that if you back out the Android profits, Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform. 

Sherlund believes Microsoft needs to spin out Xbox. He sees it as an orphan group at Microsoft that doesn't really fit with anything it's doing. 

Investors are blind to Xbox's struggles, says Sherlund, because they are "concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11#ixzz2sCc0OpHI

 

Oh, and Forbes also has something to say about this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/07/is-it-game-over-for-the-xbox-one-thanks-to-mandatory-kinect/

and another story quoting the same source I see... brilliant.

Plus a BLOG from forbes... not a forbes article... a BLOGGER.

Give it up.


Astonishing.

You clearly haven't read any of the articles. Lets go ahead and say the piece from Forbes is from a blogger, the article from Business Insider and this article here:

http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/why-you-should-be-concerned-for-xbox-one-future/

They go into further detail. You keep saying they're quoting from the same source, but only 2 of them linked to other sources. One of them being BGR. The rest of them were independent and only mentioned the tidbits from Microsoft's own financial analyst.

If you're going to say I'm wrong, then please give me evidence that proves to the contrary. You can laugh and say I'm wrong all day, but you've yet to provide a single source for your own claims.

Look, enough trying to refute the sources I've given you. It's pretty obvious Microsoft isn't profiting from their Xbox division. Why deny it so strongly? Facts are facts.

The topic at hand here is that Pachter is wrong. Listening to Pachter is very dangerous for any business to do.



jlmurph2 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
scat398 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

Microsoft is still losing money off the Xbox division, and have been for years. Pachter is a horrible analyst, and I doubt any business would ever take him seriously. Any business that does is in risk of losing a lot of money.


This is simply not true, ms has been making off the xbox division for years, and your comment shows zero lack of understanding of what xbox does for ms.


If only you knew the truth, my friend.


Xbox 360 Software sales + 11 years of Xbox Live Memberships + Xbox One priced at $500 = profit 


Well... No...

http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/why-you-should-be-concerned-for-xbox-one-future/