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QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

No, it's not very profitable.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says


Unfortunately that one article or should i say that one source was proved to be ridiculous by the recent accounts.....  did you miss those then?

Its bullshit....  pure and simple.

Thanks.


Oh?

http://games.yahoo.com/news/despite-hot-sales-xbox-one-may-1-billion-120004760.html

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/why-you-should-be-concerned-for-xbox-one-future/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-losses-hidden-by-patent-royalties-says-analyst

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11

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QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
Kresnik said:
"He continued by explaining that he’s not sure why anybody would say that Microsoft should sell their Xbox division, since that’s the only profitable part of their business."

... that's not true at all, right?


I think we can assume he is talking about the hardware business.  He isn't an idiot, he know ms makes billions upon billions each quarter.

xbox is very proftable.

live is a massive money maker, nobody else has that... as shown by the recent revelation on ps+ subscriber numbers. 

No, it's not very profitable.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says


Unfortunately that one article or should i say that one source was proved to be ridiculous by the recent accounts.....  did you miss those then?

Its bullshit....  pure and simple.

Thanks.


Oh?

http://games.yahoo.com/news/despite-hot-sales-xbox-one-may-1-billion-120004760.html

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/why-you-should-be-concerned-for-xbox-one-future/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-losses-hidden-by-patent-royalties-says-analyst

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11

Lol.  All the same source ffs, all around the same time.  This is actually quite embarrassing now...

Look at the accounts, open your mind and learn something.

An opinion in an article is just that.  The accounts are fact.

If you knew anything about accounts and business you would know this is horse shit and wouldn't be posting it.  Therefore I'm guessing you know nothign about it.

 



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QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
Kresnik said:
"He continued by explaining that he’s not sure why anybody would say that Microsoft should sell their Xbox division, since that’s the only profitable part of their business."

... that's not true at all, right?


I think we can assume he is talking about the hardware business.  He isn't an idiot, he know ms makes billions upon billions each quarter.

xbox is very proftable.

live is a massive money maker, nobody else has that... as shown by the recent revelation on ps+ subscriber numbers. 

No, it's not very profitable.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says


Unfortunately that one article or should i say that one source was proved to be ridiculous by the recent accounts.....  did you miss those then?

Its bullshit....  pure and simple.

Thanks.


Oh?

http://games.yahoo.com/news/despite-hot-sales-xbox-one-may-1-billion-120004760.html

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/why-you-should-be-concerned-for-xbox-one-future/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-losses-hidden-by-patent-royalties-says-analyst

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11


Just stop it now please.



So he says Xbox gives more benefits to MS than Windows? My ass



Uabit said:
So he says Xbox gives more benefits to MS than Windows? My ass


No he isnt saying that.  He is talking purely about devices.  Xbox is the only hardware MS is making any decent return on right now.

I do wish people would think before posting sometimes.



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kowenicki said:

 Lol.  All the same source ffs, all around the same time.  This is actually quite embarrassing now...

Look at the accounts, open your mind and learn something.

An opinion in an article is just that.  The accounts are fact.

If you knew anything about accounts and business you would know this is horse shit and wouldn't be posting it.  Therefore I'm guessing you know nothign about it.

 

Interesting. A new breed of blind fanboy loyalists.

I'll tell you what. Lets just use one source: Business Insider.

Business Insider said:

Microsoft is generating $2 billion per year in revenue from Android patent royalties, says Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund in a new note on the company.

 

He estimates that the Android revenue has a 95% margin, so it's pretty much all profit. 

This money, says Sherlund, helps Microsoft hide the fact that its mobile and Xbox groups are burning serious cash. 

For the past few years, Microsoft reported the revenue and operating losses of Entertainment and Devices, which was the group that housed Xbox, Windows Phone, and those Android royalty payments. 

 

That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money.

Sherlund says that if you back out the Android profits, Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform. 

Sherlund believes Microsoft needs to spin out Xbox. He sees it as an orphan group at Microsoft that doesn't really fit with anything it's doing. 

Investors are blind to Xbox's struggles, says Sherlund, because they are "concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11#ixzz2sCc0OpHI

 

Oh, and Forbes also has something to say about this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/07/is-it-game-over-for-the-xbox-one-thanks-to-mandatory-kinect/

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kowenicki said:
Uabit said:
So he says Xbox gives more benefits to MS than Windows? My ass


No he isnt saying that.  He is talking purely about devices.  Xbox is the only hardware MS is making any decent return on right now.

I do wish people would think before posting sometimes.


But your signature says don't think...

 

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QuintonMcLeod said:

kowenicki said:

 Lol.  All the same source ffs, all around the same time.  This is actually quite embarrassing now...

Look at the accounts, open your mind and learn something.

An opinion in an article is just that.  The accounts are fact.

If you knew anything about accounts and business you would know this is horse shit and wouldn't be posting it.  Therefore I'm guessing you know nothign about it.

 

Interesting. A new breed of blind fanboy loyalists.

I'll tell you what. Lets just use one source: Business Insider.

Business Insider said:

Microsoft is generating $2 billion per year in revenue from Android patent royalties, says Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund in a new note on the company.

 

He estimates that the Android revenue has a 95% margin, so it's pretty much all profit. 

This money, says Sherlund, helps Microsoft hide the fact that its mobile and Xbox groups are burning serious cash. 

For the past few years, Microsoft reported the revenue and operating losses of Entertainment and Devices, which was the group that housed Xbox, Windows Phone, and those Android royalty payments. 

 

That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money.

Sherlund says that if you back out the Android profits, Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform. 

Sherlund believes Microsoft needs to spin out Xbox. He sees it as an orphan group at Microsoft that doesn't really fit with anything it's doing. 

Investors are blind to Xbox's struggles, says Sherlund, because they are "concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11#ixzz2sCc0OpHI

 

Oh, and Forbes also has something to say about this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/07/is-it-game-over-for-the-xbox-one-thanks-to-mandatory-kinect/


Have you even read the MS financials?



QuintonMcLeod said:

Microsoft is still losing money off the Xbox division, and have been for years. Pachter is a horrible analyst, and I doubt any business would ever take him seriously. Any business that does is in risk of losing a lot of money.


This is simply not true, ms has been making off the xbox division for years, and your comment shows zero lack of understanding of what xbox does for ms.



sully1311 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

kowenicki said:

 Lol.  All the same source ffs, all around the same time.  This is actually quite embarrassing now...

Look at the accounts, open your mind and learn something.

An opinion in an article is just that.  The accounts are fact.

If you knew anything about accounts and business you would know this is horse shit and wouldn't be posting it.  Therefore I'm guessing you know nothign about it.

 

Interesting. A new breed of blind fanboy loyalists.

I'll tell you what. Lets just use one source: Business Insider.

Business Insider said:

Microsoft is generating $2 billion per year in revenue from Android patent royalties, says Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund in a new note on the company.

 

He estimates that the Android revenue has a 95% margin, so it's pretty much all profit. 

This money, says Sherlund, helps Microsoft hide the fact that its mobile and Xbox groups are burning serious cash. 

For the past few years, Microsoft reported the revenue and operating losses of Entertainment and Devices, which was the group that housed Xbox, Windows Phone, and those Android royalty payments. 

 

That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money.

Sherlund says that if you back out the Android profits, Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform. 

Sherlund believes Microsoft needs to spin out Xbox. He sees it as an orphan group at Microsoft that doesn't really fit with anything it's doing. 

Investors are blind to Xbox's struggles, says Sherlund, because they are "concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11#ixzz2sCc0OpHI

 

Oh, and Forbes also has something to say about this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/07/is-it-game-over-for-the-xbox-one-thanks-to-mandatory-kinect/


Have you even read the MS financials?


The real question is: Have you?

Several publications are telling you that the Xbox division's financials are group up with other divisions. They also continue to say that a lot of the losses found are masked under android royalties. They are projecting around 2 billion dollars in losses for the Xbox division alone. This is with the Xbox One in mind.