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Microsoft makes most of their most of their money from Windows and Microsoft Office. Out of all their efforts to expand beyond that the Xbox has been the most successful. The Zune and Surface, not so much. The Xbox division is but a drop in Microsoft's earnings but they are not giving it up. They want to expand beyond gaming into all things Entwrtainment.



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kowenicki said:
Kresnik said:
"He continued by explaining that he’s not sure why anybody would say that Microsoft should sell their Xbox division, since that’s the only profitable part of their business."

... that's not true at all, right?


I think we can assume he is talking about the hardware business.  He isn't an idiot, he know ms makes billions upon billions each quarter.

xbox is very proftable.

live is a massive money maker, nobody else has that... as shown by the recent revelation on ps+ subscriber numbers. 

No, it's not very profitable.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says



QuintonMcLeod said:

Microsoft is still losing money off the Xbox division, and have been for years. Pachter is a horrible analyst, and I doubt any business would ever take him seriously. Any business that does is in risk of losing a lot of money.


It's been reported by expert analyst on mircosoft that it in fact has lost billions for the company. I have to agree with this comment.



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kowenicki said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
Kresnik said:
"He continued by explaining that he’s not sure why anybody would say that Microsoft should sell their Xbox division, since that’s the only profitable part of their business."

... that's not true at all, right?


I think we can assume he is talking about the hardware business.  He isn't an idiot, he know ms makes billions upon billions each quarter.

xbox is very proftable.

live is a massive money maker, nobody else has that... as shown by the recent revelation on ps+ subscriber numbers. 

No, it's not very profitable.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says


Unfortunately that one article or should i say that one source was proved to be ridiculous by the recent accounts.....  did you miss those then?

Its bullshit....  pure and simple.

Thanks.


Oh?

http://games.yahoo.com/news/despite-hot-sales-xbox-one-may-1-billion-120004760.html

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/why-you-should-be-concerned-for-xbox-one-future/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-losses-hidden-by-patent-royalties-says-analyst

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11



QuintonMcLeod said:

Microsoft is still losing money off the Xbox division, and have been for years. Pachter is a horrible analyst, and I doubt any business would ever take him seriously. Any business that does is in risk of losing a lot of money.


No they arent. What patcher said is correct. The first xbox wasnt profit. The 360 from 2008 poates profit in every quater to today. And the xbox one posted profit to. The xbox brand is always in the black now. And there last quater profit made the xbox brand in total history black now. They recouped every loss from the beginning and is now makong total profit. The xbox brand is actually posting alot mpre profir than playstation brand since 2008. 

 

Zbox is going nowhere.



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QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

No, it's not very profitable.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says


Unfortunately that one article or should i say that one source was proved to be ridiculous by the recent accounts.....  did you miss those then?

Its bullshit....  pure and simple.

Thanks.


Oh?

http://games.yahoo.com/news/despite-hot-sales-xbox-one-may-1-billion-120004760.html

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/why-you-should-be-concerned-for-xbox-one-future/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-losses-hidden-by-patent-royalties-says-analyst

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11

“A little learning is a dangerous thing.”

I would advise you to let this go.  You're arguing that the world is flat after the age of discovery.  



QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
kowenicki said:
Kresnik said:
"He continued by explaining that he’s not sure why anybody would say that Microsoft should sell their Xbox division, since that’s the only profitable part of their business."

... that's not true at all, right?


I think we can assume he is talking about the hardware business.  He isn't an idiot, he know ms makes billions upon billions each quarter.

xbox is very proftable.

live is a massive money maker, nobody else has that... as shown by the recent revelation on ps+ subscriber numbers. 

No, it's not very profitable.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says


Unfortunately that one article or should i say that one source was proved to be ridiculous by the recent accounts.....  did you miss those then?

Its bullshit....  pure and simple.

Thanks.


Oh?

http://games.yahoo.com/news/despite-hot-sales-xbox-one-may-1-billion-120004760.html

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2013/11/25/microsoft-xboxs-1b-plus-loss-makes-it-a-sale-candidate-says-nomura/

http://wegotthiscovered.com/gaming/why-you-should-be-concerned-for-xbox-one-future/

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-losses-hidden-by-patent-royalties-says-analyst

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11


Just stop it now please.



So he says Xbox gives more benefits to MS than Windows? My ass



kowenicki said:

 Lol.  All the same source ffs, all around the same time.  This is actually quite embarrassing now...

Look at the accounts, open your mind and learn something.

An opinion in an article is just that.  The accounts are fact.

If you knew anything about accounts and business you would know this is horse shit and wouldn't be posting it.  Therefore I'm guessing you know nothign about it.

 

Interesting. A new breed of blind fanboy loyalists.

I'll tell you what. Lets just use one source: Business Insider.

Business Insider said:

Microsoft is generating $2 billion per year in revenue from Android patent royalties, says Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund in a new note on the company.

 

He estimates that the Android revenue has a 95% margin, so it's pretty much all profit. 

This money, says Sherlund, helps Microsoft hide the fact that its mobile and Xbox groups are burning serious cash. 

For the past few years, Microsoft reported the revenue and operating losses of Entertainment and Devices, which was the group that housed Xbox, Windows Phone, and those Android royalty payments. 

 

That group always seemed to be profitable, but Sherlund says it's largely because of the Android money.

Sherlund says that if you back out the Android profits, Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform. 

Sherlund believes Microsoft needs to spin out Xbox. He sees it as an orphan group at Microsoft that doesn't really fit with anything it's doing. 

Investors are blind to Xbox's struggles, says Sherlund, because they are "concealed by the hugely profitable Android royalties."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11#ixzz2sCc0OpHI

 

Oh, and Forbes also has something to say about this:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/07/is-it-game-over-for-the-xbox-one-thanks-to-mandatory-kinect/

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kowenicki said:
Uabit said:
So he says Xbox gives more benefits to MS than Windows? My ass


No he isnt saying that.  He is talking purely about devices.  Xbox is the only hardware MS is making any decent return on right now.

I do wish people would think before posting sometimes.


But your signature says don't think...

 

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