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curl-6 said:
Mystro-Sama said:
Is it really though... The Wii U cpu is supposedly weak than the 360s which if true is a goddamn embarrassment.

It's apples to oranges. 

Wii U's CPU is clocked lower, so it's not well suited to running code designed for the 360 and PS3, but on the other hand it has more onboard cache memory, (3 times as much as the 360) a shorter pipeline, (so less cycles are wasted when a mistake is made) a separate audio DSP so the CPU doesn't have to do it, and GPGPU capabilities which allow the GPU to do some of the work PS3/360 do with their CPU.

 

I know it runs on a out-of-order architecture which is hard to gauge but i'm not even sure what to think at this point... Maybe it needs time.

 

You think it's better than the 360?



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haxxiy said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
 

It may look that way, but technically no - he is wrong.

The flops increase from the ps3-ps4 is far greater than that of the wii to the wiiU simply due to the ps4 being almost 2 terrflops in power. That dicks on any jump made by the other consoles.

I think the concept of proportionality was a bit lost on you, though I admit the video doesn't make it too obvious at first.

Say the Wii pushed 20 GFLOPS, the Wii-U pushes 200 GFLOPS, and that's a ten times increase. Now if the PS3 pushed 400 and the PS4 2000, that's a five times increase. X360 to X1 was about four times increase.

But still that's reading a bit too much and falling for a FLOPS novelty. There are many other factors who affect power and performance, and a many possible bottlenecks due to a shortcoming on design.

Otherwise we would all be back to lauding the massive increases from the sixth to the seventh generation, who would be read as much as 20 times increase looking at GFLOPS alone.

Why compare the flop increase by percentage? How about actual numbers eg 1Tflop increase.

And it is important. If you want actual next gen games with new features, you need vast amounts of power. It is that simple.



curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

I dont buy the small gap argument either, it will show and when it does it'll blow peoples minds. Heck it already is. People said the the same thing about the PS2 and PS3. Hell, I said that. And yet today the difference between a PS2 and a PS3 game is beyond night and day.The Wii was barely pushed above the Gamecube even with Nintendos own titles. But when you compare launch PS3 and 360 games to what they do now, and then look at the sheer raw power inside both the PS4 and X1 things wont look good at all.

NFS Rivals on PS4 is already leagues above NFS MW on U. If you look at NFS Carbon (a launch PS3 game) and Rivals on the PS3 and apply that to scale the PS4 then its going to be nothing short of a visual massacre.

Graphical improvement over PS4's lifespan will be considerably less than over the PS3's lifespan. 

PS3 was very hard to develop for, it took years to extract its full power. PS4 is simple, easy PC architecture, it will be fully exploited much more quickly.

Nope. Even the easy to program 360 went from NFS Most Wanted and Perfect Dark to Forza 4 and Halo 4. The improvement with X1 and PS4 will be just as big at either 900 or 1080p



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

That's because there wasn't barely a leap between the GC and the Wii.



                
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MDMAlliance said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
MDMAlliance said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
That's offset by the fact that they took the smallest leap with the original Wii. >_>


I do not see the point of this comment.  If you watched the video, he already said that the Wii made an extremely small step.  I feel like you do whatever you can to put the Wii U down, because even though his argument doesn't really mean much in the end, you're pretending like it actually matters what they did 2 generations ago.

I dont consider it to be a leap when they where and still are failry behind to begin with. What does this large leap even mean to game developers or consumers who are already exposed to the PS4 and X1?

That point doesn't even matter, look at your original comment.  It is one that tries to deny the jump from Wii to Wii U by saying that it's offset by the GC to Wii jump.  There was no point in saying that, especially given that it was already mentioned in the video.  Whether the guy in the video has a real point or not is irrelevant given how you made your response.

I dont buy the small gap argument either, it will show and when it does it'll blow peoples minds. Heck it already is. People said the the same thing about the PS2 and PS3. Hell, I said that. And yet today the difference between a PS2 and a PS3 game is beyond night and day.The Wii was barely pushed above the Gamecube even with Nintendos own titles. But when you compare launch PS3 and 360 games to what they do now, and then look at the sheer raw power inside both the PS4 and X1 things wont look good at all.

I don't even get what your point here is.  This is about Wii to Wii U, not Gamecube to Wii.  It's like you entirely missed the point.

NFS Rivals on PS4 is already leagues above NFS MW on U. If you look at NFS Carbon (a launch PS3 game) and Rivals on the PS3 and apply that to scale the PS4 then its going to be nothing short of a visual massacre.

That is 100% irrelevant given that the thread isn't comparing Wii U to PS4 graphics.  You're just ranting to make it seem like you have a point.  You don't.  No one is arguing Wii U vs PS4 graphics.  No one.

If Nintendo hopes to release a gen 9 system on par with the PS5 and XBoxTwo for example it will basically have to make TWO jumps in one go.

 

  • 1st jump, match the PS4/X1.
  • 2nd jump close to the PS5/X2 as possible.

 

That wont do them any favours, given how they are struggling with the U. They basically shot themselves in the foot, twice. 

That doesn't even make any sense.  How does making two jumps equate to not doing them any favors?  You're making a logical jump, and coming to a conclusion without even elaborating on your thought process.  Making two jumps when you're a "jump" behind doesn't take twice as much effort FYI.

 I dont put the U down, I own one for petes sake. That said I dont defend it either, not in the slightest. Truth is the Wii U has tons of things about it worth criticising. Just like the launch PS3 I call a spade a spade, not a big spoon. This system has serious issues.

No, I have seen the repeated amount of comments you make on threads.  I don't know if you even actually own one.  If you do, it doesn't mean you're exempt from being "anti-Wii U."  I don't normally respond to your comments because I usually let you have your opinions. But this time, it was just trying to take a cheap-shot at the Wii U by trying to state that the jump between Wii and Wii U is somehow taken away by the jump between GC and Wii.  Like I have said multiple times before, it is irrelevant to the topic here.  There was no reason to say it unless you wanted to keep beating a dead horse.

I dont approve of its hardware at all. Nintendo had the money and resources to make something truly decent. 2GHz quad core. 2GB GDDR5 unified memory shared with a 5670HD equivalent GPU. But nope. They set the bar low, far too low. I feel Nintendo has backed itself into a corner. I dont see gen 8 being salvaged and gen 9 will be a deciding moment in regards Nintendos future in the home console business.

Just so you know, putting better hardware into the Wii U does NOT guarantee it to do better.  The Gamecube did this, and failed.  People are comparing the Wii U to the Gamecube, but people like you need to be reminded that Nintendo did what you're thinking Nintendo should do now with the Gamecube.  The market isn't so predictable, and it is only in hindsight that you can claim it is so obvious.  

There are multiple "problems" with the Wii U, but if you look through the history of videogame console sales, you will realize that some of those "mistakes" you think is making the Wii U fail now were also present in previous consoles as well.  The issue here is much less about Wii U's hardware, and much more about Wii U's marketing and possibly software and online integration.  



Theres your proof. Every single 3rd party in that game up there runs better on the 360. Every single firts party game there is not leaps and bounds above the 3rd party games. Owning a Wii U doesnt make me blind to the fact that it has outdated technology. My original comment doesnt deny the Wii to Wii U jump, it STATES the obvious fact that the jump is insignificant when its base was so low to begin with.  My second comment was to point out how pointless it is to act like Nintendos jump is some achievement that should be lauded because it isnt, they are and will be playing cath up for the forseeable future. 



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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AZWification said:

That's because there wasn't barely a leap between the GC and the Wii.


Shhh, don't say that



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:
 Hence, the fact that Wii sold really good at the start of the last generation, but has since faded, and over the long run may actually finish third in the 7th generation.

The 7th gen is over. It's the 8th gen now.



Did Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo stopped selling their 7th gen consoles?



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

SubiyaCryolite said:
AZWification said:

That's because there wasn't barely a leap between the GC and the Wii.


Shhh, don't say that

Why? It's not my fault some people get upset over facts.



                
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biglittlesps said:
curl-6 said:
NeoRatt said:
 Hence, the fact that Wii sold really good at the start of the last generation, but has since faded, and over the long run may actually finish third in the 7th generation.

The 7th gen is over. It's the 8th gen now.



Did Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo stopped selling their 7th gen consoles?

It's not still the baby boomer generation just cos the baby boomers are still alive.



SubiyaCryolite said:
curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

I dont buy the small gap argument either, it will show and when it does it'll blow peoples minds. Heck it already is. People said the the same thing about the PS2 and PS3. Hell, I said that. And yet today the difference between a PS2 and a PS3 game is beyond night and day.The Wii was barely pushed above the Gamecube even with Nintendos own titles. But when you compare launch PS3 and 360 games to what they do now, and then look at the sheer raw power inside both the PS4 and X1 things wont look good at all.

NFS Rivals on PS4 is already leagues above NFS MW on U. If you look at NFS Carbon (a launch PS3 game) and Rivals on the PS3 and apply that to scale the PS4 then its going to be nothing short of a visual massacre.

Graphical improvement over PS4's lifespan will be considerably less than over the PS3's lifespan. 

PS3 was very hard to develop for, it took years to extract its full power. PS4 is simple, easy PC architecture, it will be fully exploited much more quickly.

Nope. Even the easy to program 360 went from NFS Most Wanted and Perfect Dark to Forza 4 and Halo 4. The improvement with X1 and PS4 will be just as big at either 900 or 1080p

360's unified lighting and shading was still alien tech in 2005. Just watch; there will be nowhere near as big an improvement on PS4/Xbone.