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SubiyaCryolite said:
MDMAlliance said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
That's offset by the fact that they took the smallest leap with the original Wii. >_>


I do not see the point of this comment.  If you watched the video, he already said that the Wii made an extremely small step.  I feel like you do whatever you can to put the Wii U down, because even though his argument doesn't really mean much in the end, you're pretending like it actually matters what they did 2 generations ago.

I dont consider it to be a leap when they where and still are failry behind to begin with. What does this large leap even mean to game developers or consumers who are already exposed to the PS4 and X1?

That point doesn't even matter, look at your original comment.  It is one that tries to deny the jump from Wii to Wii U by saying that it's offset by the GC to Wii jump.  There was no point in saying that, especially given that it was already mentioned in the video.  Whether the guy in the video has a real point or not is irrelevant given how you made your response.

I dont buy the small gap argument either, it will show and when it does it'll blow peoples minds. Heck it already is. People said the the same thing about the PS2 and PS3. Hell, I said that. And yet today the difference between a PS2 and a PS3 game is beyond night and day.The Wii was barely pushed above the Gamecube even with Nintendos own titles. But when you compare launch PS3 and 360 games to what they do now, and then look at the sheer raw power inside both the PS4 and X1 things wont look good at all.

I don't even get what your point here is.  This is about Wii to Wii U, not Gamecube to Wii.  It's like you entirely missed the point.

NFS Rivals on PS4 is already leagues above NFS MW on U. If you look at NFS Carbon (a launch PS3 game) and Rivals on the PS3 and apply that to scale the PS4 then its going to be nothing short of a visual massacre.

That is 100% irrelevant given that the thread isn't comparing Wii U to PS4 graphics.  You're just ranting to make it seem like you have a point.  You don't.  No one is arguing Wii U vs PS4 graphics.  No one.

If Nintendo hopes to release a gen 9 system on par with the PS5 and XBoxTwo for example it will basically have to make TWO jumps in one go.

 

  • 1st jump, match the PS4/X1.
  • 2nd jump close to the PS5/X2 as possible.

 

That wont do them any favours, given how they are struggling with the U. They basically shot themselves in the foot, twice. 

That doesn't even make any sense.  How does making two jumps equate to not doing them any favors?  You're making a logical jump, and coming to a conclusion without even elaborating on your thought process.  Making two jumps when you're a "jump" behind doesn't take twice as much effort FYI.

 I dont put the U down, I own one for petes sake. That said I dont defend it either, not in the slightest. Truth is the Wii U has tons of things about it worth criticising. Just like the launch PS3 I call a spade a spade, not a big spoon. This system has serious issues.

No, I have seen the repeated amount of comments you make on threads.  I don't know if you even actually own one.  If you do, it doesn't mean you're exempt from being "anti-Wii U."  I don't normally respond to your comments because I usually let you have your opinions. But this time, it was just trying to take a cheap-shot at the Wii U by trying to state that the jump between Wii and Wii U is somehow taken away by the jump between GC and Wii.  Like I have said multiple times before, it is irrelevant to the topic here.  There was no reason to say it unless you wanted to keep beating a dead horse.

I dont approve of its hardware at all. Nintendo had the money and resources to make something truly decent. 2GHz quad core. 2GB GDDR5 unified memory shared with a 5670HD equivalent GPU. But nope. They set the bar low, far too low. I feel Nintendo has backed itself into a corner. I dont see gen 8 being salvaged and gen 9 will be a deciding moment in regards Nintendos future in the home console business.

Just so you know, putting better hardware into the Wii U does NOT guarantee it to do better.  The Gamecube did this, and failed.  People are comparing the Wii U to the Gamecube, but people like you need to be reminded that Nintendo did what you're thinking Nintendo should do now with the Gamecube.  The market isn't so predictable, and it is only in hindsight that you can claim it is so obvious.  

There are multiple "problems" with the Wii U, but if you look through the history of videogame console sales, you will realize that some of those "mistakes" you think is making the Wii U fail now were also present in previous consoles as well.  The issue here is much less about Wii U's hardware, and much more about Wii U's marketing and possibly software and online integration.  





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d21lewis said:
curl-6 said:

Graphically it's a bigger leap over Wii than PS4/Xbone are over PS3/360, yes.

 

d21lewis said:
And they're still behind the Xbox 360 in most areas.

Such as?

Indie games, Live event player, cross game chat, demos for every indie/arcade game, built in memory, requesting friends to play a game, playing movies/music from an HDD or PC, sharing games with multiple consoles, Smart Glass, analog triggers, achievements, download speeds, 3rd pary support, voice commands--pretty much every area except graphics (though Wii U is more powerful, there are Xbox 360 games that still look better than Wii U's best imo) and touch screen/off TV Play. 


Only 5 of the 14 things you mentioned are game related. Other things like indie games are a bit unfair considering one console has been around since 2005 and the other is only a little over a year old.

I'd say the biggest thing Wii-U has over the 360, apart from it being more powerful and having more memory, is free online MP and no paywalls at all. I have had Live since 2003 and with the money I've spent, I could afford a launch PS3 for crying out loud.



Is it really though... The Wii U cpu is supposedly weak than the 360s which if true is a goddamn embarrassment.



And aren't current gen consoles a couple times more powerful than last gen?



JoeTheBro said:
I disagree.

Wii to Wii U is about the same as PS2 to PS3, right?

Well to me PS3 to PS4 is greater than PS2 to PS3. It'll take time to really know though. These systems just launched.

PS4 won't see the massive graphical improvement across it's lifespan that  PS3 did though, because it's easy to program for out of the gate.



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curl-6 said:
JoeTheBro said:
I disagree.

Wii to Wii U is about the same as PS2 to PS3, right?

Well to me PS3 to PS4 is greater than PS2 to PS3. It'll take time to really know though. These systems just launched.

PS4 won't see the massive graphical improvement across it's lifespan that  PS3 did though, because it's easy to program for out of the gate.

That's not the only reason PS3 graphics improved over time lol. 360 games improved just as much.



Mystro-Sama said:
Is it really though... The Wii U cpu is supposedly weak than the 360s which if true is a goddamn embarrassment.

It's apples to oranges. 

Wii U's CPU is clocked lower, so it's not well suited to running code designed for the 360 and PS3, but on the other hand it has more onboard cache memory, (3 times as much as the 360) a shorter pipeline, (so less cycles are wasted when a mistake is made) a separate audio DSP so the CPU doesn't have to do it, and GPGPU capabilities which allow the GPU to do some of the work PS3/360 do with their CPU.



JoeTheBro said:
curl-6 said:
JoeTheBro said:
I disagree.

Wii to Wii U is about the same as PS2 to PS3, right?

Well to me PS3 to PS4 is greater than PS2 to PS3. It'll take time to really know though. These systems just launched.

PS4 won't see the massive graphical improvement across it's lifespan that  PS3 did though, because it's easy to program for out of the gate.

That's not the only reason PS3 graphics improved over time lol. 360 games improved just as much.

Not as much as PS3, and 360's unified lighting and shading took getting used to, as did the added demands of HD development in general.



curl-6 said:
JoeTheBro said:
curl-6 said:

PS4 won't see the massive graphical improvement across it's lifespan that  PS3 did though, because it's easy to program for out of the gate.

That's not the only reason PS3 graphics improved over time lol. 360 games improved just as much.

Not as much as PS3, and 360's unified lighting and shading took getting used to, as did the added demands of HD development in general.

We'll see ;)



JoeTheBro said:

We'll see ;)

Yes, indeed we will. Bump me in 6 years if you wish. ;)