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padib said:

I have to say that it doesn't really encourage respect to call someone's point stupid in general, even if it's not an insult it isn't compatible with the theme of respect. At least when curbing respect, that should be discouraged until respect and intelligence is restored, then it might be interesting to leave some room for poking fun at each other that way. But it would be a priviledge earned by the community building respect.

It's like you can't make fun of your friend until you've built enough credit with him to feel free to pull his/her leg a little.

No, I agree - I'm certainly not encouraging it.

As I've already said I'd like people to engage in discussions in a respectful and open-minded way - take on board different points of views and express your own with some form of evidence / backup.

At the same time, I understand that most people can get heated at times (I'm as guilty as anyone) and it can be frustrating when you make a point and people still don't understand or accept it. I can understand situations where someone feels that someone else's behaviour is "stupid" or "idiotic" and I understand if people feel the need to point that out. It isn't ideal by any means and straddles the line of becoming disrespectful but I think it is different to say that what someone is saying is stupid compared to calling someone stupid which is far more personal and a direct insult.

The real world isn't black and white unfortunately and with grey areas like this I trust moderators to make a decision based on the context.



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ioi said:
padib said:

I have to say that it doesn't really encourage respect to call someone's point stupid in general, even if it's not an insult it isn't compatible with the theme of respect. At least when curbing respect, that should be discouraged until respect and intelligence is restored, then it might be interesting to leave some room for poking fun at each other that way. But it would be a priviledge earned by the community building respect.

It's like you can't make fun of your friend until you've built enough credit with him to feel free to pull his/her leg a little.

No, I agree - I'm certainly not encouraging it.

As I've already said I'd like people to engage in discussions in a respectful and open-minded way - take on board different points of views and express your own with some form of evidence / backup.

At the same time, I understand that most people can get heated at times (I'm as guilty as anyone) and it can be frustrating when you make a point and people still don't understand or accept it. I can understand situations where someone feels that someone else's behaviour is "stupid" or "idiotic" and I understand if people feel the need to point that out. It isn't ideal by any means and straddles the line of becoming disrespectful but I think it is different to say that what someone is saying is stupid compared to calling someone stupid which is far more personal and a direct insult.

The real world isn't black and white unfortunately and with grey areas like this I trust moderators to make a decision based on the context.

Couldn't you try and recruit some more moderators, that way instead of only reactive moderating they can proactive mod and actually engage in the discussions.



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padib said:

^He's referring to this, you might have skipped his 2nd post.


Thanks! Yeah, I did miss it...derp...



One of the biggest pitfalls I've noticed that people are falling into is where they think another user is trolling/flamebaiting but rather than clicking the report button and allowing the moderation team take care of it they try to beat the trolls at trolling. Don't claim that certain members or usergroups are immune to moderation, if you see someone breaking the rules, click report, report them, leave it alone.

It might take a few hours but the mods here will get around to what your report was, if it was something which was a open and closed case like sig gifs of 20mb then a mod will just instantly sort the issue or if it's a big flame war back and forth there might be some behind the scenes discussion as to how to deal with it. But all the reports are dealt with in a fairly timely manner especially when as ioi pointed out, the moderators on here are all just users who volunteered for the jobs of making these forums a better/civil place.

I don't know how else to put this really... if you see someone pouring petrol around the place, get someone to come and clean it away... don't start flicking matches at it to see if you can cause an inferno. Remember that if you try and out-troll a troll and they decide to report you for it, you're the one who is getting a few days off the forums. Remember the moderators on here don't get to read every single post in every single thread, if it's a thread they've been asked to look at based on a report of a certain post they'll come in and deal with that post, they could go on to lock the whole thread because it's just a massive back and forth of hate.



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selnor1983 said:
Mummelmann said:
selnor1983 said:
All I will say is what I witnessed the other night with those users against IOI has never happened on VGC in the 7 years Ive been here. It is WAY worse than VGC ever was. Even in the dodgy mods days.


What did I miss? I've been working so much lately I've barely had time to post in here!


This thread. Read from the start.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=176824&page=19#8


Now there's a lovely group of people that this forum would be pretty much fine without.



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@ganoncrotch - again spot on with everything you've said.

You seem like a pretty level-headed kinda guy, you'd make a welcome addition to the mod team I'm sure



ganoncrotch said:
One of the biggest pitfalls I've noticed that people are falling into is where they think another user is trolling/flamebaiting but rather than clicking the report button and allowing the moderation team take care of it they try to beat the trolls at trolling. Don't claim that certain members or usergroups are immune to moderation, if you see someone breaking the rules, click report, report them, leave it alone.

It might take a few hours but the mods here will get around to what your report was, if it was something which was a open and closed case like sig gifs of 20mb then a mod will just instantly sort the issue or if it's a big flame war back and forth there might be some behind the scenes discussion as to how to deal with it. But all the reports are dealt with in a fairly timely manner especially when as ioi pointed out, the moderators on here are all just users who volunteered for the jobs of making these forums a better/civil place.

I don't know how else to put this really... if you see someone pouring petrol around the place, get someone to come and clean it away... don't start flicking matches at it to see if you can cause an inferno. Remember that if you try and out-troll a troll and they decide to report you for it, you're the one who is getting a few days off the forums. Remember the moderators on here don't get to read every single post in every single thread, if it's a thread they've been asked to look at based on a report of a certain post they'll come in and deal with that post, they could go on to lock the whole thread because it's just a massive back and forth of hate.

So youre saying it is okay to mod out of ignorance? Because it aint. If I say someone is being ignorant and that person is by definition being ignorant then it isnt an insult. so why should i be moderated because the mod didnt read the thread to see the sheer ignorance? Example you ask? Dark Feanor was demanding to see proof and pictures of the so called lines for ps4s at best buy. when someone provided him with what he asked for he changed his tune to "well that doesnt prove anything." That is by definition ignorant. So if i point that out why should i be banned?



there reactions give me a feeling that it will be alright with a bit more attention and work!



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This forum really isn't as bad as some people are making it out to be. Sure there's a lot of flaming and console wars, but that's happening in pretty much very forum. Have you visited NeoGaf lately, every other thread is bashing Microsoft or dooming Nintendo. A new generation just started, tensions and emotions are high right now. Give it a few months and things will mellow out.



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