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ioi said:
The message is simple enough:

- Less trolling and flaming
- More respect for one another, insightful posts, intelligence, analysis, reasoning and logic.

I don't know the financials at all, but if it is Vgc pro keeping this profitable, why care for a few 1000 more short term hits due to console wars, instead of the real interesting discussions, we used to have without interruption or baseless claims and know get flooded with the millions of resolution compare threads



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selnor1983 said:
All I will say is what I witnessed the other night with those users against IOI has never happened on VGC in the 7 years Ive been here. It is WAY worse than VGC ever was. Even in the dodgy mods days.


You wouldn't happen to be referring to the December NPD thread?



^He's referring to this, you might have skipped his 2nd post.



HylianSwordsman said:
selnor1983 said:
All I will say is what I witnessed the other night with those users against IOI has never happened on VGC in the 7 years Ive been here. It is WAY worse than VGC ever was. Even in the dodgy mods days.


You wouldn't happen to be referring to the December NPD thread?

No the Aaron Greenberg thread about Profit sold on their financial report.



Mummelmann said:
ioi said:
The message is simple enough:

- Less trolling and flaming
- More respect for one another, insightful posts, intelligence, analysis, reasoning and logic.


Absolutely, there are actually a lot of pretty insightful posts in here but they often get nonsensical or ridiculous answers. I also feel that most people are letting their preference and emotions steer their "analysis" and predictions, a lot of users are clearly bypassing reality in favor of some comforting construct.

Anyway, there are way too many threads whining about rules, banning and tracking in here lately, I think this is in part due to mods actually being a lot more patient in here than a lot of other sites so people actually feel they can start threads to whine on them, the tracking part is something unique to vgchartz though; surely a great challenge, probably the biggest one in here as far as discussions go, especially for new members who don't have any insight into how it all works.

I don't think Brett is being unreasonable or going overboard here at all, if I had a large website with a forum and people started acting like bitches and basically used the free forums as an arena to constantly whine about what the site is actually doing, I'd be pretty goddamn pissed. And then they also whine about being moderated for their initial whining. Sometimes when I read a post, I think to myself; why on earth is this person even in here?

This right here is why i always give you 5p in the greatest user tournament rounds :D



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kirby triple posted, please moderate him!



ganoncrotch said:

This sounds slightly out of context but I would imagine the message here was more along the lines of "you can call a thing which a poster says as being a stupid thing to say, but you cannot call the user stupid"

Exactly. People can say things that are stupid and pointing that out isn't an insult to them. Saying that somebody is stupid is an insult. There is a clear difference between the two.

 

Also, two things:

  1. Mods aren't perfect. They do their roles as volunteers and they do a fantastic job of keeping order around here and trying to be as fair as possible but they may not always get things perfectly correct when making a decision.
  2. Moderations may be based on past history, context, previous posts in a thread - it isn't always one specific sentence that could cause a moderation.


kirby007 said:

Bring us back to the point the sales discussions where actually about the numbers and not trying to spin it in your "sides" favor.

People are not using logic anymore when discussing sales.

anyone remember this

Stop allowing anything not connected with the original topic of a thread and anything that even remotely tries bashing or taking a jab at someone.

 

75% of this place would be banned.



ioi said:
ganoncrotch said:

This sounds slightly out of context but I would imagine the message here was more along the lines of "you can call a thing which a poster says as being a stupid thing to say, but you cannot call the user stupid"

Exactly. People can say things that are stupid and pointing that out isn't an insult to them. Saying that somebody is stupid is an insult. There is a clear difference between the two.

I have to say that it doesn't really encourage respect to call someone's point stupid in general, even if it's not an insult it isn't compatible with the theme of respect. At least when curbing respect, that should be discouraged until respect and intelligence is restored, then it might be interesting to leave some room for poking fun at each other that way. But it would be a priviledge earned by the community building respect.

It's like you can't make fun of your friend until you've built enough credit with him to feel free to pull his/her leg a little.



Max King of the Wild said:
ioi said:
The message is simple enough:

- Less trolling and flaming
- More respect for one another, insightful posts, intelligence, analysis, reasoning and logic.


I was told by kantor that i can call a posters post stupid. that is hardly respectful. on top of that the mod team is so inconsistant its mind boggling. I got banned for saying someones denial was pathetic (same concept as above) and another user in the same thread said the exact same thing (no moderation) and another user called the guy a clown (no moderation)

 

Nail on head this is the biggest issue here. Some users get away with impunity derailing, trolling, taking little digs at people, others gen banned for saying boo, this creates a false sense of whats ok and what isn't.