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Who is winning the Rumble?

Batista 32 51.61%
 
Daniel Bryan 8 12.90%
 
CM Punk 13 20.97%
 
The Field (anyone else) 8 12.90%
 
Total:61

I'm done with wrestling I'm no longer excited about Mania anymore after looking at the card



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EspadaGrim said:
I'm done with wrestling I'm no longer excited about Mania anymore after looking at the card


I have 2 tix for Mania that I payed $300 for and are selling for $1000 on Stubhub right now, and I am seriously considering selling them.    If it was anywhere but New Orleans they would be gone, but thats one of my favorite places to visit on vacation.



BasilZero said:

For me my wrestling history is......

1995-1997 --- WCW
2002- Current ---- WWF/WWE

lol

I didnt watch WWF during its best era n_n. But over the past few years I've watched several shows/matches on YouTube during the years I missed.

Nooblet.

I started watching the NWA when I was a kid.  I would beg my mom to be allowed to stay up and watch it at 11:30 with my older sister.  My first memory of wrestling is when Arn Anderson joined the NWA, which resulted in a little thing called The Four Horsemen.

I watched the WWF some but I wasn't into it as much.  It was kind of silly back then.

I didn't watch any of it for several years but a friend got me back into it during the Monday Night Wars period.  I would flip back and forth, though the NWO had me putting the WCW first.

I've been very off-and-on during the John Cena era.



superhippy420 said:
EspadaGrim said:
I'm done with wrestling I'm no longer excited about Mania anymore after looking at the card


I have 2 tix for Mania that I payed $300 for and are selling for $1000 on Stubhub right now, and I am seriously considering selling them.    If it was anywhere but New Orleans they would be gone, but thats one of my favorite places to visit on vacation.


If you do decide to sell them then i hope you make a good profit.



EspadaGrim said:
superhippy420 said:
EspadaGrim said:
I'm done with wrestling I'm no longer excited about Mania anymore after looking at the card


I have 2 tix for Mania that I payed $300 for and are selling for $1000 on Stubhub right now, and I am seriously considering selling them.    If it was anywhere but New Orleans they would be gone, but thats one of my favorite places to visit on vacation.


If you do decide to sell them then i hope you make a good profit.

I could sell them for a big profit, but I have never been to Wrestlemania and was really looking forward to going.   If Batista v. Orton is the main event though then I will be disapointed before i even walk in the Superdome.



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You guys don't get it.

The fact that everyone's mad right now is great for the WWE. They realize that they have a Rock-type atmosphere with Daniel Bryan, and they don't want him to fizzle out prematurely. That's why he's with the Wyatts right now. They're making him like this underdog that everyone wants to win but just can't get out of that shadow.

Remember how The Rock became as big as he was in the 90s? He was the company's top draw for so long even without the title, and he gained it after so many various insignificant feuds. I think WWE is doing the right thing with Bryan. They see the potential. If they try to make him like super-Cena right now, people will end up not caring about him after a short span of time.

Bryan is only starting. It's only been a short time since he went solo and the "yes" phenomenon went out. He still needs buildup and there are many years left in the tank. It's still Cena's WWE right now. They can't replace the guy yet until he completely turns heel. I think that's the big deal here.

You heard me. That's the biggest possible draw you can get. Cena turns heel on Bryan, essentially passing the torch. You gotta remember, the majority of the fanbase of WWE right now is kids. Kids love the hell out of Cena. When Cena turns heel on Bryan, all the kids will have their loyalties transferred. Right now, it's still too dangerous to do it because Bryan still isn't big enough with the young crowd yet.

But look at what's happening: Wyatts just beat the hell out of Cena. It looks like Cena and Bryan will team against the Wyatts.. and hopefully, this is the time when Cena will turn heel on Bryan while they're teaming.

I love the direction it's going. I don't want Bryan to be rushed.



For this excercise, let's cut the Royal Rumble into 4 categories.

1 - Potential winners/rising stars
2 - Disqualified from winning (past winners)
3 - Filler
4 - The clear winner and most popular superstar right now who wasn't even in the rumble

1 - First up we get to our Potential winners or otherwise rising talent. young stars with plenty of skill and talent. Either are on the cusp of superstardom or have all the skills but just aren't getting the push. Not all of these are sure things, but all have the talent, charisma, or physique to really make an impact.

CM Punk
Damian Sandow
Dolph Ziggler
Roman Reigns
Seth Rollins
Dean Ambrose
Big E Langston
Cody Rhodes
Antonio Cesaro
Ryback

2 - Next up is the group that is disqualified from winning. 4 rumble winners, 2 guys past their prime, and 4 joke entries. The 2005, 2006, 2011, and 2012 winners are all disqualified for having won already, since the roster is robust enough to make new stars and one can't rely on old guys too much. The others (the jokes and the guys past their prime) are disqualified for being oooold or not serious entries.

Batista
Alberto Del Rio
Rey Mysterio
Sheamus
Kane
Goldust
Kevin Nash
The Great Khali
El Torito
JBL

3 – Then there's the filler. Guys who are still WAY too early in their career to really show main event status, tag teams, or guys that have had their shot at the gold and show lights but were proven to not quite be long term guys. These will likely remain in the midcard for a while in the foreseeable future. Great entries into the rumble, but not winning material (Trust me, it kills me inside to put Kofi Kingston and Jack Swagger into this category since they are both great.)

Jack Swagger
Kofi Kingston
Alexander Rusev
Jimmy Uso
Jey Uso
Luke HArper
Eric Rowan
R Truth
The Miz
Fandago

4 – Then there's the one guy who is currently the most popular man on the roster; immensely talented, gets the biggest pops of any night, yet somehow lost a match to a bearded “Husky Harris” with a Deliverance accent and wasn't even in the goddamn Royal Rumble.

Daniel Bryan

And so what does WWE Do? Give it to Batista. The 45 year old star of yesteryear after he quit on bad terms with the company and proceeded to trash talk the company and many of its stars in the 4 years between his departure and return. Yeah, he was a big deal ten years ago, he's old, he's past his prime, and he has no place headlining a Wrestlemania at his age.

This is no different than when they brought in the Rock to take Punk's title and fight Cena in a boring-assed match. The Rock is no longer a wrestler. An entertainer, sure, but the man is an actor now, don't give the main event to that man.

Think about it, who are the top stars right now? Batista, Cena, and Orton. Three men who were big deals between 2002 and 2008. There are literally dozens of talent on the roster WWE could be building up to something special with, and instead we're getting more Batista, more Orton, and more Cena. Oh, and to add insult to injury, who were headlining Summerslam and Wrestlemania the last few years? HHH, Undertaker, and Brock Lesnar. Seeing a pattern here?

Oh, and as an aside, guess who has the tag championships now? The New Age Outlaws, despite Road Dogg being in his late 40's and Billy Gunn being 50.

The only GOOD things they did at this rumble were giving CM Punk the Iron Man Slot (started at #1, was in the final four), and giving Reigns a dominant push with 12 eliminations. Everything else was a goddamn joke.

It's time to put over new stars like CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, and yes, even Dolph Ziggler. With The WWE's retarded booking and writing as of late, I wouldn't be surprised if genuinely great top-tier talent like Damien Sandow and Antonio Cesaro never make it to the top despite having the look, physique, and charisma needed for a champion. Seriously, ANYONE from that top 10 entries could be one of the megastars of tomorrow, and it'd be typical for WWE to fuck it up.

Sometimes I hate enjoying this 'sport'. Shit like this makes it SO easy to get worked up over bad booking and terrible writing.



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Runa216 said:

Right now, here's my list of wrestlers that NEED to be in better positions and could be the next crop of talent for the next generation that WWE is underutilizing in lieu of raining more money on Old guys like The Rock and Batista: 

Daniel Bryan
CM Punk
Damian Sandow
Dolph Ziggler
Roman Reigns
Seth Rollins
Dean Ambrose
Big E Langston
Cody Rhodes
Antonio Cesaro
Ryback (I'd be okay with this, even if he is terrible, he's new and young!)
Jack Swagger (he was at the top once and is one talented guy)
Kofi Kingston (Workhorse, always a yearly treat at RR, has the skill)

That's 12 people definitely more deserving than Batista, with the plausible exception of Ryback.  Oh, and the single most deserving (Bryan) wasn't even in the rumble.  Those are the 12 guys I think Are 'on the way up', with the possible exception of Swagger and Kofi for being around for years and never quiiiite making it to the main event.  Those might go into Category 3. if that was the case, then it'd be a case of 10 potential winners, 10 entertainers, and 10 disqualified entrants who stand no chance of winning.  (and yet one who should have been disqualified won)

Good luck to them.  As long as Cena and Orton are at the top, most of those guys are going to be held down.  They especially do not want a smaller guy to beat one of their golden boys.  Ziggler will never get a real shot.

They're afraid of Punk and Bryan overshadowing Cena and Orton, so they'll be pushed down into mid-card feuds.  They might get shots when Cena isn't involved.

Ryback, though I don't care for him much, is a good example of creative screwing up.  He was hot for awhile but they dropped the ball with him.  All his momentum was lost and he'll never be able to recapture it.  

Cesaro, I have no idea why he isn't at main event level, unless it's because creative has zero idea what to do with him.

Reigns is the only one with a real shot during the Cena/Orton era.  They like his look, they like his size.  Personally, I like the badass attitude he brings across, it's something that's kind of missing nowadays.



bugrimmar said:
You guys don't get it.

The fact that everyone's mad right now is great for the WWE. They realize that they have a Rock-type atmosphere with Daniel Bryan, and they don't want him to fizzle out prematurely. That's why he's with the Wyatts right now. They're making him like this underdog that everyone wants to win but just can't get out of that shadow.

Remember how The Rock became as big as he was in the 90s? He was the company's top draw for so long even without the title, and he gained it after so many various insignificant feuds. I think WWE is doing the right thing with Bryan. They see the potential. If they try to make him like super-Cena right now, people will end up not caring about him after a short span of time.

Bryan is only starting. It's only been a short time since he went solo and the "yes" phenomenon went out. He still needs buildup and there are many years left in the tank. It's still Cena's WWE right now. They can't replace the guy yet until he completely turns heel. I think that's the big deal here.

You heard me. That's the biggest possible draw you can get. Cena turns heel on Bryan, essentially passing the torch. You gotta remember, the majority of the fanbase of WWE right now is kids. Kids love the hell out of Cena. When Cena turns heel on Bryan, all the kids will have their loyalties transferred. Right now, it's still too dangerous to do it because Bryan still isn't big enough with the young crowd yet.

But look at what's happening: Wyatts just beat the hell out of Cena. It looks like Cena and Bryan will team against the Wyatts.. and hopefully, this is the time when Cena will turn heel on Bryan while they're teaming.

I love the direction it's going. I don't want Bryan to be rushed.


It's been 2 full years since the Yes chants started and fans started really getting behind him.   Could you ever imagine Austin,Rock,Cena, or Hogan just being left out of the match when they were at the peak of their popularity.   Cena is never turning heel.   He is going to fued with Wyatt, and then move on and do something else as a babyface.   I wish he would turn too but after tonight I am even more convinced it will never EVER happen.



superhippy420 said:
bugrimmar said:
You guys don't get it.

The fact that everyone's mad right now is great for the WWE. They realize that they have a Rock-type atmosphere with Daniel Bryan, and they don't want him to fizzle out prematurely. That's why he's with the Wyatts right now. They're making him like this underdog that everyone wants to win but just can't get out of that shadow.

Remember how The Rock became as big as he was in the 90s? He was the company's top draw for so long even without the title, and he gained it after so many various insignificant feuds. I think WWE is doing the right thing with Bryan. They see the potential. If they try to make him like super-Cena right now, people will end up not caring about him after a short span of time.

Bryan is only starting. It's only been a short time since he went solo and the "yes" phenomenon went out. He still needs buildup and there are many years left in the tank. It's still Cena's WWE right now. They can't replace the guy yet until he completely turns heel. I think that's the big deal here.

You heard me. That's the biggest possible draw you can get. Cena turns heel on Bryan, essentially passing the torch. You gotta remember, the majority of the fanbase of WWE right now is kids. Kids love the hell out of Cena. When Cena turns heel on Bryan, all the kids will have their loyalties transferred. Right now, it's still too dangerous to do it because Bryan still isn't big enough with the young crowd yet.

But look at what's happening: Wyatts just beat the hell out of Cena. It looks like Cena and Bryan will team against the Wyatts.. and hopefully, this is the time when Cena will turn heel on Bryan while they're teaming.

I love the direction it's going. I don't want Bryan to be rushed.


It's been 2 full years since the Yes chants started and fans started really getting behind him.   Could you ever imagine Austin,Rock,Cena, or Hogan just being left out of the match when they were at the peak of their popularity.   Cena is never turning heel.   He is going to fued with Wyatt, and then move on and do something else as a babyface.   I wish he would turn too but after tonight I am even more convinced it will never EVER happen.


Team Hell No only got dissolved in July 2013. That's only been 6 months since the real Daniel Bryan popularity exploded. 6 months isn't long enough to ferment a lifelong fanbase.

Remember. When the whole WWE was chanting 'Rocky Sucks' in every goddamn arena in the world, the company still stubbornly kept The Rock as a face, despite the obvious thing going on with the fans. Finally, when he went over as a heel, he got sooooo much heat that it was ridiculous. Fast forward to a ladder match with HHH, next night, he got the push.

Bryan is at that moment wherein he's The Rock, in a Stone Cold dominated WWE. Right now, it's still a Cena dominated WWE. You can't overshadow your top star (and Cena is still the top star despite most times he's being boo-ed). It's similar to how The Rock took a back seat to Stone Cold for so long until it was the right time and the right opportunity. When The Rock lost the corporate-sponsored title to Austin in Wrestlemania 15, that's when the tide shifted. He finally got to feud with the corporation the very next night, went face without any kind of buildup, and he got what was coming to him.

Result: Lifelong fandom. They built The Rock up properly and let the fans decide whether they would keep supporting him even through the tough times. Bryan is getting the same treatment. Always remember, Cena is still top dog with the kids. There has to be a moment wherein the two will clash so that the torch will be passed.

Rest assured. Bryan will get his shot. Maybe at this year's Wrestlemania, or the next. 6 months of solo action isn't long enough yet.