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benji232 said:
Soundwave said:
I think there could be some big changes coming.

Iwata's comment about Nintendo becoming skeptical of the model of selling hardware + software in the same old way doesn't sound like he was joking around.

I can't see them revealing much.. Other then " We will start advertising our products via smartphones". Also, can you give me the quote of him being skeptical of their model of selling HW+SW? 

I'm curious, what changes are you expecting them to announce this week?


"We cannot continue a business without winning," Iwata added. "We must take a skeptical approach whether we can still simply make game players, offer them in the same way as in the past for 20,000 yen or 30,000 yen, and sell titles for a couple of thousand yen each."

Is the quote. 



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Soundwave said:
benji232 said:
Soundwave said:
I think there could be some big changes coming.

Iwata's comment about Nintendo becoming skeptical of the model of selling hardware + software in the same old way doesn't sound like he was joking around.

I can't see them revealing much.. Other then " We will start advertising our products via smartphones". Also, can you give me the quote of him being skeptical of their model of selling HW+SW? 

I'm curious, what changes are you expecting them to announce this week?


"We cannot continue a business without winning," Iwata added. "We must take a skeptical approach whether we can still simply make game players, offer them in the same way as in the past for 20,000 yen or 30,000 yen, and sell titles for a couple of thousand yen each."

Is the quote. 

He's talking about the pricing of their software. Probably implying that they're going to try new models to sell their games ( f2p, micro-transactions, etc). 

EDIT: Misread the quote. I still believe that he's mainly talking about pricing in general.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 said:
Soundwave said:
benji232 said:
Soundwave said:
I think there could be some big changes coming.

Iwata's comment about Nintendo becoming skeptical of the model of selling hardware + software in the same old way doesn't sound like he was joking around.

I can't see them revealing much.. Other then " We will start advertising our products via smartphones". Also, can you give me the quote of him being skeptical of their model of selling HW+SW? 

I'm curious, what changes are you expecting them to announce this week?


"We cannot continue a business without winning," Iwata added. "We must take a skeptical approach whether we can still simply make game players, offer them in the same way as in the past for 20,000 yen or 30,000 yen, and sell titles for a couple of thousand yen each."

Is the quote. 

He's talking about the pricing of their software. Probably implying that they're going to try new models to sell their games ( f2p, micro-transactions, etc). 


He specifically cites hardware there too. 

Maybe something like a $100 Nintendo "box" + $20-$30 digital only games is something they are seriously contemplating or a streaming service or something completely different. 

Lower priced games don't really help when people are not willing to buy the hardware in the first place. 

If you strip the Wii U of its disc drive and tablet pad, rebrand it, I wonder how cheap they could sell it for. 



padib said:
Nintendo does not compete with Sony or Microsoft, I just wanted to make that correction.

The solution is not Mario on mobiles, the solution is unifying Nintendo's platforms and pumping out a solid release schedule from now till forever.


The 3DS had an incredible release list this year and it still sold way below their expectations and is trending down year over year. 

Nintendo has deep rooted problems here beyond just a few games coming out 3-5 months late. 



They need more content that is relevant to people *other* than the same group of Nintendo fans who are obsessed with the same five or six 15-30 year old franchises. This is a dead end for them if they can't appeal to other people, they are going to become a legacy/nostalgia brand and nothing else in 5-10 years if they don't make take drastic action now. 

They need better appeal in the Western markets. Japan is not the answer any more and the West will not continually accept Nintendo making most hardware/software decisions for Japanese tastes first, Western tastes second. Nintendo needs to accept this and hire people who understand the Western market.

They need to figure out what their hardware philosophy is in the age of smartphones and smart devices because they are having their lunch eaten with kids and casuals flocking away from them right now and the Wii ____/touch generations crowd has abandoned them. They need to regroup now quickly.



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padib said:
Soundwave said:

They need more content that is relevant to people *other* than the same group of Nintendo fans who are obsessed with the same five or six 15-30 year old franchises.

They need better appeal in the Western markets. Japan is not the answer any more and the West will not continually accept Nintendo making most hardware/software decisions for Japanese tastes first, Western tastes second. Nintendo needs to accept this and hire people who understand the Western market. 

They need to figure out what their hardware philosophy is in the age of smartphones and smart devices because they are having their lunch eaten with kids and casuals flocking away from them right now and the Wii ____/touch generations crowd has abandoned them. They need to regroup now quickly.

Just keep in mind that the GB and GBA never needed the touch-generation type crowd to succeed. Remember that, that's all I will say.


GB and GBA never had to deal with 5/6 year old kids getting their first taste of gaming on an iPad or their parents iPhone either though. They had it so much easier in those days. 

This is a very, very different world today. When the GBA was around basically the only thing you could do on a phone other than make calls and black & white texts was play a crappy game of Snake. A tablet was something that only really existed in Star Trek. 



padib said:
Soundwave said:

GB and GBA never had to deal with 5/6 year old kids getting their first taste of gaming on an iPad or their parents iPhone either though. They had it so much easier in those days. 

This is a very, very different world today. When the GBA was around basically the only thing you could do on a phone other than make calls and black & white texts was play a crappy game of Snake. A tablet was something that only really existed in Star Trek. 

That's true. What market do you suggest Nintendo could successfully and profitably target?

I ask because, as far as I'm concerned, Nintendo is best at attracting those playing on tablets. So even if the competition is fiercer on that front, I strongly believe Nintendo are the ones able to effectively compete (which they aren't doing at the moment).

I say this because I suspect you will propose Nintendo go after Sony and MS' market, which is not and has never been their strength.

My view on it is they compete fiercely with tablets and possibly succeed, or choose to compete with Sony and MS in their markets and decisively fail.

I've suggested they make a heavily customized Android tablet (w/buttons) that only plays apps/software from their own eShop (similar to what Amazon does with the Kindle tablet).

I would strongly urge them that they must get much stronger Western management at NOA and NOE and Iwata must listen to them more often. 

Maybe exerting so much effort to sell hardware simply isn't worth it any more either to be honest. The hardware is just a box to play Mario, as Yamauchi said, if they can make a extremely low cost, bare bones console for $100 say and are willing to let go of the $50-$60 retail-focused market for a more digital only future ... I could see them having some success in that avenue. 

Honestly there is no simple magic bullet here I think. This is a tough market, Nintendo must be much, much smarter in their decision making and hardware emphasis from now on. Just making a great Mario game isn't good enough anymore. 



Many people seem to not realize that their stocks rised at the end of the very day of the announcment so it only dropped 6 % and even then it only returned the stock price pre china annoucment.



Thoridias said:
Many people seem to not realize that their stocks rised at the end of the very day of the announcment so it only dropped 6 % and even then it only returned the stock price pre china annoucment.


LOL theyre  talking like if the company was going out of bussiness or something...

COme on is not such a big deal! Nintendo will be OK



Thoridias said:
Many people seem to not realize that their stocks rised at the end of the very day of the announcment so it only dropped 6 % and even then it only returned the stock price pre china annoucment.


The Asian markets in general are way up, but generally when a stock takes a deep plunge, you have buyers move in trying to get the stock at a lower cost. Also I think investors are (probably foolishly) thinking Nintendo may be about the announce Mario on iPhone or something on Wednesday.