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Darth Tigris said:
So? Xbox One is selling just fine, so what's the problem? With that many in stock, more XBO's can be sold than PS4's. Based on how it's sold so far, that has been a good thing for consumers.

I know some PSfans that have nothing better to do go through these types of dramatic exercises to try to elevate the delusional superiority of their allegiance to a company and the flood the internet with their masturbatory gloating, but I have a better idea for you: go enjoy your purchase instead of doing things like this. It's a desperate, sad look on you and frankly contributes nothing positive to any constructive discussion about our pasttime.

TLDR: be better than this

TIL making an (inadvertent) observation = going through dramatic exercises

TIL take 5 minutes to to make a VGC post, but spend anything less than the remaining 24h55m enjoying your purchase = desperate and sad. 



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J_Allard said:
Captain_Tom said:
Nsanity said:
pezus said:
Again, PS4 owners got lots of free digital games to choose from (Plus or otherwise). The best next-gen exclusive was free for Plus owners, for example.

Are the games for keeps or rental?


You keep them and all your data for as long as you have PS+.  The second you have it again, you can start right where you left off.  Please stop this "Doesn't own BS."  If I wanted to keep a game forever, I would have bought it at launch.  But I missed Vanguish for example a while ago, and I got to play through it and keep its trophies for free.

So, rental confirmed.

Also, lol @ "best next gen exclusive" being Resogun. Is that based entirely off of Metacritic? The game is being offered free for PS+ subscribers and was reviewed as such.

You can keep up your barrage against "rentals" all you want, as if it's a detriment to PS+. You go ahead and keep Gears of War 1 and Rainbow Six Vegas (games you probably played, beat, and then sold 6 or more years ago). I'll "rent" BioShock: Infinite and DmC



JGarret said:
thismeintiel said:
Mike_L said:


Why use such BS arguments that just kill your credibility? With inflation the PS3 would cost over $695 today ($200 more than XB1).

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/15/the-real-cost-of-gaming-inflation-time-and-purchasing-power

 

It released a year later than the competition and had a piss ass difficult architecture.

Very true.  I also doubt Sony would have been able to make 3.9M consoles within a few months.  Using more off the shelf parts has really helped with production this gen. 

Also, there's the fact that the Xbox One will not reach 95M, but the PS3 will.  Like the Wii U before it, the Xbox One had a great launch, but without support from EU and Japan, I can't see it selling more than 60M, if that.

Now that you mention it, it´s sad this 8th gen will, by the look of things, be a gen of contraction, with probably only one console having a shot at matching or exceeding its predecessor.

3DS, Vita and Wii U will all sell far less than their predecessors.

PS4 and X1 are still up in the air..with the X1 having perhaps a worse performance in Japan and Europe than the 360 did, there´s a chance only the PS4 matches (or surpasses) its predecessor.

As time goes on, the developing markets (Brazil, Eastern Europe, Russia, etc..) will become more and more important, and might make up for things in Japan, home console wise.

So far, it does seem like this gen will see a contraction.No need to go all apocalyptic, like some have been trumpeting "console gaming is dead".I hope both PS4 and X1 at least match their predecessors, because the other three surely won´t.

Well, last gen was somewhat inflated, anyway.  This was mainly due to A LOT of casuals who normally don't game entering the market because of the Wii.  Most of those gamers have left, moving on to tablets/smartphones, leaving mainly the hardcore gamer.  These are the ones who mostly chose the PS3 or 360.  This gen, I think numbers are going to drop to being slightly above the 6th gen.  So, ~215M-225M for home consoles.  Handhelds will definitely sell more, as there are 2 available, instead of just the GBA.  So, that will be more like ~125-135M.  The majority of those sale will go towards the PS4 and 3DS, respectively. 

Buy, yea, console gaming is FAR from dead.  We're just going to have a clear front-runner this time.



Nsanity said:

The problem is NPD, because according to them the Xbox One was the best selling console last month, but the pictures that people have been take say otherwise.


according to them it was a tie with one console highly supply constrained.



BMaker11 said:
Darth Tigris said:
So? Xbox One is selling just fine, so what's the problem? With that many in stock, more XBO's can be sold than PS4's. Based on how it's sold so far, that has been a good thing for consumers.

I know some PSfans that have nothing better to do go through these types of dramatic exercises to try to elevate the delusional superiority of their allegiance to a company and the flood the internet with their masturbatory gloating, but I have a better idea for you: go enjoy your purchase instead of doing things like this. It's a desperate, sad look on you and frankly contributes nothing positive to any constructive discussion about our pasttime.

TLDR: be better than this

TIL making an (inadvertent) observation = going through dramatic exercises

TIL take 5 minutes to to make a VGC post, but spend anything less than the remaining 24h55m enjoying your purchase = desperate and sad. 

You made observations.  Then you added commentary:

"Moral of the story: yay, I got a PS4. They don't keep them out because the demand is so high, people would steal them (at least, that's what the associate implied), while conversely, they are basically begging people to buy their XBones.

I don't care if you're one of those "anecdotal evidence means nothing" type of person. It's pretty ridiculous when I call in and there's 3 PS4s left and an hour later 2 of them are already bought and I got the last one, while there's a huge stack of XBones out in the open even though they won't even display PS4s."

Begging people to buy the Xbox One.  That was a ridiculous, inaccurate and biased thing to say.  There is nothing ridiculous about only having a few PS4's and not putting them out while having a healthy supply of XBO's and having them out on display.  In fact, it's ... exactly how any store would handle a situation like this.  You are implying there is something wrong with the rate that the XBO is selling at and the amount of supply that is available when your observation (and biased commentary) gives NOTHING to support that.



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Darth Tigris said:
BMaker11 said:
Darth Tigris said:
So? Xbox One is selling just fine, so what's the problem? With that many in stock, more XBO's can be sold than PS4's. Based on how it's sold so far, that has been a good thing for consumers.

I know some PSfans that have nothing better to do go through these types of dramatic exercises to try to elevate the delusional superiority of their allegiance to a company and the flood the internet with their masturbatory gloating, but I have a better idea for you: go enjoy your purchase instead of doing things like this. It's a desperate, sad look on you and frankly contributes nothing positive to any constructive discussion about our pasttime.

TLDR: be better than this

TIL making an (inadvertent) observation = going through dramatic exercises

TIL take 5 minutes to to make a VGC post, but spend anything less than the remaining 24h55m enjoying your purchase = desperate and sad. 

You made observations.  Then you added commentary:

"Moral of the story: yay, I got a PS4. They don't keep them out because the demand is so high, people would steal them (at least, that's what the associate implied), while conversely, they are basically begging people to buy their XBones.

I don't care if you're one of those "anecdotal evidence means nothing" type of person. It's pretty ridiculous when I call in and there's 3 PS4s left and an hour later 2 of them are already bought and I got the last one, while there's a huge stack of XBones out in the open even though they won't even display PS4s."

Begging people to buy the Xbox One.  That was a ridiculous, inaccurate and biased thing to say.  There is nothing ridiculous about only having a few PS4's and not putting them out while having a healthy supply of XBO's and having them out on display.  In fact, it's ... exactly how any store would handle a situation like this.  You are implying there is something wrong with the rate that the XBO is selling at and the amount of supply that is available when your observation (and biased commentary) gives NOTHING to support that.

uhhh....I said "begging" because of the sign on the door. Businesses put those signs on their doors when they have too much stock and want customers to alleviate some of that stock. Despite what someone else said in this thread, they don't put it on the door for sellout items that get bought pretty much as soon as they sell, otherwise they'd be putting the sign up and taking it down everyday (which is misleading since you don't say "we have X" when you only have enough to last like an hour, for example). Clearly this Best Buy was wanting people to clear the pile that's just building up (unless you think they got a shipment of 64 units all at once). "Begging" may be a word that you guys don't like, but it's technically what's going on.

Plus, what kind of gripe is "you added commentary"? Was I just supposed to post the pics, then say nothing? I gave context, which is something you should want for a post of this nature. I wouldn't have said they're "begging" if that sign wasn't there, I would have just said "there's a lot of stock at my Best Buy". You make it seem like something like that is normal. Why don't WalMarts go ahead and post "we have Froot Loops" outside, even though people haven't been questioning about it and there's an overabundance of Froot Loops in the cereal aisle? You guys are too sensitive.



Still in stock at BestBuy, PS4 flop.



thismeintiel said:
J_Allard said:
Captain_Tom said:
Nsanity said:

Are the games for keeps or rental?


You keep them and all your data for as long as you have PS+.  The second you have it again, you can start right where you left off.  Please stop this "Doesn't own BS."  If I wanted to keep a game forever, I would have bought it at launch.  But I missed Vanguish for example a while ago, and I got to play through it and keep its trophies for free.

So, rental confirmed.

Also, lol @ "best next gen exclusive" being Resogun. Is that based entirely off of Metacritic? The game is being offered free for PS+ subscribers and was reviewed as such.

A true rental would mean you would have to give the game back after a certain amount of time.  With PS+, as long as you are a member, you keep them forever.  Of course, with all the great games, not sure why you would stop subscribing.  Even if you did for a few years, and then became a member again, you get those games right back.  You should also be thanking Sony for PS+.  Without it, there would be no GWG.

Uh, you do. When your PS+ subscription ends. If you have 6 months remaining when you add a game to your downloads, you are renting it for 6 months. If you add another year, that's another year. etc etc. Not sure where you're confused here?

This issue has been discussed to death though and it's boring so feel free to have the last word.



BMaker11 said:

uhhh....I said "begging" because of the sign on the door. Businesses put those signs on their doors when they have too much stock and want customers to alleviate some of that stock. Despite what someone else said in this thread, they don't put it on the door for sellout items that get bought pretty much as soon as they sell, otherwise they'd be putting the sign up and taking it down everyday (which is misleading since you don't say "we have X" when you only have enough to last like an hour, for example). Clearly this Best Buy was wanting people to clear the pile that's just building up (unless you think they got a shipment of 64 units all at once). "Begging" may be a word that you guys don't like, but it's technically what's going on.

Plus, what kind of gripe is "you added commentary"? Was I just supposed to post the pics, then say nothing? I gave context, which is something you should want for a post of this nature. I wouldn't have said they're "begging" if that sign wasn't there, I would have just said "there's a lot of stock at my Best Buy". You make it seem like something like that is normal. Why don't WalMarts go ahead and post "we have Froot Loops" outside, even though people haven't been questioning about it and there's an overabundance of Froot Loops in the cereal aisle? You guys are too sensitive.

Aren't you the same guy who once tried to imply that MS and Sony each have detailed daily up to the minute information on how many units are out there in each store and should alert people accordingly? Yeah, you didn't really understand how retailed worked then and you don't here either. You put signs up for product that will sell and that you have in stock. If people weren't buying the consoles, there's no reason to put the sign up. Making people aware that you have ample supply of something that isn't selling for you, is not smart business. I think someone else pointed this out earlier, this Best Buy is run by someone who doesn't know how to manage retail very well. You slap a ton of product out in the open like that and it makes people think they don't need to buy it right then and you have plenty in stock.

When I worked retail I had a rule that any time a customer called for a high price electronic item we told them we only had 2 or 3 left. That makes the customer think they better hurry and get it. You tell them you have 10 or 11, they wait and probably change their mind. What does a customer think when he sees a big stack of a $500 console? He thinks there's no rush. You leave that sign up and only have 1 or 2 on the floor, another story entirely.



BMaker11 said:
Darth Tigris said:

You made observations.  Then you added commentary:

"Moral of the story: yay, I got a PS4. They don't keep them out because the demand is so high, people would steal them (at least, that's what the associate implied), while conversely, they are basically begging people to buy their XBones.

I don't care if you're one of those "anecdotal evidence means nothing" type of person. It's pretty ridiculous when I call in and there's 3 PS4s left and an hour later 2 of them are already bought and I got the last one, while there's a huge stack of XBones out in the open even though they won't even display PS4s."

Begging people to buy the Xbox One.  That was a ridiculous, inaccurate and biased thing to say.  There is nothing ridiculous about only having a few PS4's and not putting them out while having a healthy supply of XBO's and having them out on display.  In fact, it's ... exactly how any store would handle a situation like this.  You are implying there is something wrong with the rate that the XBO is selling at and the amount of supply that is available when your observation (and biased commentary) gives NOTHING to support that.

uhhh....I said "begging" because of the sign on the door. Businesses put those signs on their doors when they have too much stock and want customers to alleviate some of that stock. Despite what someone else said in this thread, they don't put it on the door for sellout items that get bought pretty much as soon as they sell, otherwise they'd be putting the sign up and taking it down everyday (which is misleading since you don't say "we have X" when you only have enough to last like an hour, for example). Clearly this Best Buy was wanting people to clear the pile that's just building up (unless you think they got a shipment of 64 units all at once). "Begging" may be a word that you guys don't like, but it's technically what's going on.

Plus, what kind of gripe is "you added commentary"? Was I just supposed to post the pics, then say nothing? I gave context, which is something you should want for a post of this nature. I wouldn't have said they're "begging" if that sign wasn't there, I would have just said "there's a lot of stock at my Best Buy". You make it seem like something like that is normal. Why don't WalMarts go ahead and post "we have Froot Loops" outside, even though people haven't been questioning about it and there's an overabundance of Froot Loops in the cereal aisle? You guys are too sensitive.

Ok you obviously don't know much about how retail works and are taking a single example and projecting all kinds of personal opinions about it as fact.  I was seeing if you were going to be reasonable about this but I get it now.  Thanks for making clear your true colors so I know what to expect now.  I hope you enjoy your PS4.