You mean a confirmed 100% gap in framerate.

 The Toyota Camry is the sales leader in it's group even though it's one fo the worst cars in it's class. The Accord or Mazda 6 being better still matters.

so being upgraded from the 720p of the 360 to the 1080p but maintaining the same fps on the X1 allows them to title it "the definitive edition"? I can see a lot of Ps4 versions of multiplatform games taking that subtitle for themselves if this is the case.

Based on the source of this fps thing tho, I'll wait to see digital foundries breakdown before I'd believe it to be 100% true, no point a game being labeled at 60fps if it comes at the cost of torn frames or random drops at points, would actually rather a stable 30 than a stuttering 60 if I'm honest. Every other resolution "scandel" has been based on Digital foundry info and so should this tbh not someone on twitch saying it feels like 60fps.

It also got a lot of graphics upgrades. They released a comparison video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NUX2rG_u8w

Most of them are somewhat minor, but probably overall they help. Still, it's definitely a cross-gen game, rooted in last gen with a new coat of paint.

In my mind all they really did was port the PC version to next gen consoles;. The higher quality assets were already done for PC. Little extra work was required.

I had a feeling that was going to be your response. You just needed someone to set it up, right? Obviously the "definitive" title is just an attention grabber, as is GOTY or Ultimate.

I'm curious to see what's the FPS situation on the X1 version. Seems like the people in that video were avoiding discussion about it.

Also, I will say Neogaf is running their usual spin if you look at it carefully. Eatchildren says the XBO version runs at unlocked 30, which gets up to 45 in some areas, even though he implies not often, I expect he is trying to spin it negatively for xbox, so it's probably often. Then he says PS4 is 60 but with a few dips into 50's.

So the reality is not 60 vs 30, it's an average of, lets say 37.5 (split the difference of 30 and 45 for XBO) vs say, 55 on PS4. Notice how Eatchildren tried to highlight the best case for PS4 (60) and the worst case for Xbox (30)

Why are PS4 fans crowing so much? PS4 is supposed to be 66% more powerful (at least, according to some it's much much more than that because X1 reserves huge amounts for Kinect while PS4 in their minds reserves nothing)

And you end up with one game 1080P on both, 60 on one 30 on the other, with largely the same graphics presumably on both? Wouldn't this be expected? In fact shouldn't the gap be much larger in favor of PS4? After all XBO reserves 3Gb of RAM, two CPU's, and 20% of the GPU (which is already 66% less powerful) for OS and PS4 reserves nothing for OS, right?

What is holding PS4 back then? Where is the 200+% differences we were promised?

Personally for an action game, I dont care about 60 FPS, I'd rather the XBO version run 1080/30 than say, 900/60,

Also, I will say Neogaf is running their usual spin if you look at it carefully. Eatchildren says the XBO version runs at unlocked 30, which gets up to 45 in some areas, even though he implies not often, I expect he is trying to spin it negatively for xbox, so it's probably often. Then he says PS4 is 60 but with a few dips into 50's.

So the reality is not 60 vs 30, it's an average of, lets say 37.5 (split the difference of 30 and 45 for XBO) vs say, 55 on PS4. Notice how Eatchildren tried to highlight the best case for PS4 (60) and the worst case for Xbox (30)

Anyways people said KZ Shadow Fall multiplayer was 60, but real frame testing showed it dips into the 30's at time and probably averages more like 45. So I take this with a grain of salt until we get some testing.

But I'm just glad the game is 1080P on XBO. That's priority one for me.