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SxyxS said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Its a Conspiracy!

I think it's more unrest fatigue.

When people are interested in unrest, they want to step in and help the side they think is right.

Therefore when people are tired of military invertvention, they ignore these types of stores.

When these type of stories get less eyes on them, they get reported less, since most news orginizations are like Fox News/MSNBC and want to make money/shill for their politcal party.  

 

After people told Obama to fuck off about Syria it's only natural nobody is covering it.

Also why nobody is covering Syria really, except for the occasional big break,  nobody covering Iraq, despite Al Queda actually in control of Iraqi Cities, Egypt and the big restraints being put on it's people to rebound back into a Mubarek type dicatorship and Afghanistan... whatever the fuck is going on there, i don't even know.

This has absolutely nothing to do witj unrest fatigue.This is controlled media.

 

Or do you think that it is unrest fatigue that the complete western media refuse to talk about the most important politician/economical meeting(Bilderberger)or that they won't talk about secret meetings of the us money&politician Elite at the bohemian grove.Or the pictures of Mccains meeting with Al Qaida terrorists in Syria

Or is it fatigue that they won't show you potesters in ukraine in front of US embassy saying"Yankee go home!

 

Go to yuotube:"Conan Christmass Media"(it 's very harmless and just takes 3 minutes to watch.Even if your IQ is sub-forest gump you will realise how centralised and controlled and filtered the Western Media is.(btw ,Noah Chumsky has already explained this very well(propaganda modell) and start reading"economic hitman"

 

ukrain is a strategic key factor .the Nato wants their Atomic Weapons,the industry the huge shale gas reserves,Putin also wants the Atomic weapons.

In order....

1) Bilderberg global elites comment = Conspiracy theory talk.  Rich people talking about economics happens pretty much everywhere all the time, those meetings aren't anything special.

2) Mccain's meeting terrorists in Syria.   They did cover this.  It was actually a pretty big deal because it was a big overstep of congressional power at a time where Obama's stance was still unkown.

Where he claimed that he only met with the "Good" Non islamic terroist groups.  Then eventually people stopped talking about it because Obama tried to make moves on Syria, so it didn't really matter.

 

3)  Nobody really likes America, and when it comes to a big enough protest group, a lot of their goals become muddled and different protestors think different things.   Operation Wallstreet is a great US example. 

4) Why the hell would Putin what the Ukraine's atomic weapons.  He's got plenty.   So does the EU for that matter.  I mean, they won't admit it, but they're there.



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Kasz216 said:
SxyxS said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Its a Conspiracy!

I think it's more unrest fatigue.

When people are interested in unrest, they want to step in and help the side they think is right.

Therefore when people are tired of military invertvention, they ignore these types of stores.

When these type of stories get less eyes on them, they get reported less, since most news orginizations are like Fox News/MSNBC and want to make money/shill for their politcal party.  

 

After people told Obama to fuck off about Syria it's only natural nobody is covering it.

Also why nobody is covering Syria really, except for the occasional big break,  nobody covering Iraq, despite Al Queda actually in control of Iraqi Cities, Egypt and the big restraints being put on it's people to rebound back into a Mubarek type dicatorship and Afghanistan... whatever the fuck is going on there, i don't even know.

This has absolutely nothing to do witj unrest fatigue.This is controlled media.

 

Or do you think that it is unrest fatigue that the complete western media refuse to talk about the most important politician/economical meeting(Bilderberger)or that they won't talk about secret meetings of the us money&politician Elite at the bohemian grove.Or the pictures of Mccains meeting with Al Qaida terrorists in Syria

Or is it fatigue that they won't show you potesters in ukraine in front of US embassy saying"Yankee go home!

 

Go to yuotube:"Conan Christmass Media"(it 's very harmless and just takes 3 minutes to watch.Even if your IQ is sub-forest gump you will realise how centralised and controlled and filtered the Western Media is.(btw ,Noah Chumsky has already explained this very well(propaganda modell) and start reading"economic hitman"

 

ukrain is a strategic key factor .the Nato wants their Atomic Weapons,the industry the huge shale gas reserves,Putin also wants the Atomic weapons.

In order....

1) Bilderberg global elites comment = Conspiracy theory talk.  Rich people talking about economics happens pretty much everywhere all the time, those meetings aren't anything special.

2) Mccain's meeting terrorists in Syria.   They did cover this.  It was actually a pretty big deal because it was a big overstep of congressional power at a time where Obama's stance was still unkown.

Where he claimed that he only met with the "Good" Non islamic terroist groups.  Then eventually people stopped talking about it because Obama tried to make moves on Syria, so it didn't really matter.

 

3)  Nobody really likes America, and when it comes to a big enough protest group, a lot of their goals become muddled and different protestors think different things.   Operation Wallstreet is a great US example. 

4) Why the hell would Putin what the Ukraine's atomic weapons.  He's got plenty.   So does the EU for that matter.  I mean, they won't admit it, but they're there.

1)Rich men meeting is one thing.Rich men meeting secretly a completely different one.(like the forbidden P2 lodge in italy)Super Rich men meeting with top politicians =superhightreason potential and extremly dangerous for democracy.

As results of secret meetings you have fabricated wars(vietnam-tonkin never happened,Iraq test tubes just to mention a few)loss of rights.As result you have the takeover of the Fed by the bankers(since the takeover the devaluation of the dollar rose from sub. 5%within 140 years to 95% + in 100years(watch mike maloneys :hidden secrets of money part4  if you are interessted how huge the ripp off is and how the system works)

You'll find interessting statements from JFK warning about secret societies(few weaks before being shot)  Eisenhower about the dangers of a takeover of US politics by the military/industrial complex on youtube.You can read Tragedy&hope from Yale Prof. Carrol Quigley and Economic Hitman from Perkins(an Economic Hitman working for the USA helping them to overthrow Democratic Governments in south america and replace them by dictatorships.Or the takeout of Mossadeq by Kermit Roosevelt.Or huge Drug Dealing by the US government since Air America in Vietnam or Opium Production in Afghanistan increasing 1000% since USA invaded this country and all Huge US military bases being built exactly on the route where the Tapi pipeline is supposed to be built.

I am very concerned when there is a meeting by a group like Bilderbergers that was founded by a former fucking Nazi General who also was part of dutch high aristocracy.The same guy who founded the WWF(animals not wrestling)who pretended to donate money to WWF,took this money back,founded a soldier group which officially fought against elephant killing ivory smugglers while in reality they took over the ivory smuggling business from them.

If you want all this shit keep going than stay as you are ,if not,demand transparency.Demand coverage-no secret meetings,no secret courts and no lobbyism.

4)

Have you heard about the cuba crisis?

Than you have the answer .Putin just react the same way the americans did in the 60ies.Only difference-the USA was in a far better position then.Cuba is small,Cuba isn't controlling important gas pipelines,US Weapons were on a slightly better level than the russian one,USA was not systematically sourrounded at that time.

Now Russians have far inferior weapon tech.Ukrain is very big.Ukraine is controlling gas pipelines.Russia is systematically sorrounded by US weapons in former soviet now nato countries.Those weapons are officially said to defend Europe against Arab missile-only problem.Arab countries don't have any missiles.

Why would Putin have Ukrainian atomic weapons?

Why would the USA or Israel have iranian Atom Weapons(or prevent the from building some).Both have more than enough A bombs?Well they do,and it has nothing to do with"Muslim countries mustn't have A bombs" because Pakistan already owns lots of them.

3)never heard of opetation wall Street?Whats this?or did you mean the occupy movement.

 

ps-you can research almost everything i mentioned on wiki.



1) Secret meetings would entail that they are secret.

When they tell you the time and date of the meeting it's not exactly a secret.


Everything else you've said is silly conspiracy theory nonsense. Some of the events happened, but you're suggesting they've happened because of rich bankers.... as opposed to just you know. Governments trying to maintain their hegemony.



4) The Cuba Crisis wouldn't really of been one in Mexico or Colombia had Nuclear weapons.

The fact that many western European countries hold nuclear weapons already makes the fact that the Ukraine has them... fairly meaningless in terms of nuclear warfare.


Also... yes the middle east does have missiles.


Also, man your logic is faulty. Because one country has nuclear weapons it can't properly secure that means EVERY country should?



ah yes, your hoping violence and destruction of property costing millions throughout the cities of America? Ah yes, you wish people will get shot, run over by protesters, or get severe damage due to the chaos. Stores to be  broken into, familly owned at that. Stocks will fall, and the majority of citizens feeling unsafe in their own communities? Yea that seems like a good idea. 



What exactly did the government do?



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Mystro-Sama said:
What exactly did the government do?

Refused to sign association agreement with EU.



mai said:
Mystro-Sama said:
What exactly did the government do?

Refused to sign association agreement with EU.


See you agree with me... but previously it seemed like you disagreed with me.  So I'm rather confused.

Unless it was about the protest law, but...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25922342

 



Kasz216 said:
mai said:
Mystro-Sama said:
What exactly did the government do?

Refused to sign association agreement with EU.


See you agree with me... but previously it seemed like you disagreed with me.  So I'm rather confused.

Unless it was about the protest law, but...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25922342

 

You know, protests in Ukraine started November 2013. And the anti-protest laws was in place only end of January 2014. So the riots started much earlier then this laws. And the people who want to join EU are doing this to the police in the capital of their own country:

I think you should just welcome them.

 



Kasz216 said:
I mean... you do realize the reason they're protesting is because they're government is taking a hardline stance AWAY from Americanism right? 


... No? They distrust Russia. How they feel about the US on the other side of the coin is completely irrelevent right now.



Kasz216 said:
mai said:
Mystro-Sama said:
What exactly did the government do?

Refused to sign association agreement with EU.


See you agree with me... but previously it seemed like you disagreed with me.  So I'm rather confused.

Unless it was about the protest law, but...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25922342

I wasn't disagreeing  with you, I was mocking  you. My line you've quoted is blatantly straightforward and there's nothing to disagree with, while yours...

//You need to start reading this blog to get the joke: http://vesti-kpss.livejournal.com/ Word of warning: it may seem like the same content you may find on BBC or Haaretz, but none of the people commenting there are serious.