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Forums - Sales Discussion - NPD - Xbox One YTD 2013: 4.8M retail games vs. 4.2M for PS4

Nsanity on 24 January 2014
Rpruett said:
It's really simple :

Early adopters are the majority of current console owners. The 'hardcore' fans if you will. Exclusive titles are usually the ones that get the most hype and become the focus of fans and are also the showcase games.

The only tangible difference between PS4 and Xbox One at launch was that the Xbox One had about (3) titles that I would consider to be 'solid' 'semi-hyped' titles available for purchase (DeadRising 3, Forza, Ryse ). The PS4 on the other hand had Killzone Shadowfall, Knack and one of the better games is free (Resogun). Knack in my opinion is the worst of the whole lot of games almost making it irrelevant.

The PS4 has the higher attach ratio if you're looking for signs in areas that matter pointing to future trends (3rd Party Sales). I'll be astonished if the Xbox One holds a higher attach rate in any aspect by the time Summer hits. (Especially since they really don't seem to have nearly as much as the PS4 in the pipeline in the next year).

Your kidding, right?



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jonathanalis on 24 January 2014

So, Xbox One is profiting more than PS4?
Interesting.



Rpruett on 24 January 2014
jlmurph2 said:
Rpruett said:
It's really simple :

Early adopters are the majority of current console owners. The 'hardcore' fans if you will. Exclusive titles are usually the ones that get the most hype and become the focus of fans and are also the showcase games.

The only tangible difference between PS4 and Xbox One at launch was that the Xbox One had about (3) titles that I would consider to be 'solid' 'semi-hyped' titles available for purchase (DeadRising 3, Forza, Ryse ). The PS4 on the other hand had Killzone Shadowfall, Knack and one of the better games is free (Resogun). Knack in my opinion is the worst of the whole lot of games almost making it irrelevant.

The PS4 has the higher attach ratio if you're looking for signs in areas that matter pointing to future trends (3rd Party Sales). I'll be astonished if the Xbox One holds a higher attach rate in any aspect by the time Summer hits. (Especially since they really don't seem to have nearly as much as the PS4 in the pipeline in the next year).

Lol what? There's tons of games coming to X1 for 2014.

In terms of quality and desire to own,  I'd disagree.  The PS4 boasts a stronger lineup moving forward, but suffered from a weaker launch.  Titanfall hype be damned, there simply isn't much else on the Xbox One plate currently. 



jlmurph2 on 24 January 2014
Rpruett said:
jlmurph2 said:
Rpruett said:
It's really simple :

Early adopters are the majority of current console owners. The 'hardcore' fans if you will. Exclusive titles are usually the ones that get the most hype and become the focus of fans and are also the showcase games.

The only tangible difference between PS4 and Xbox One at launch was that the Xbox One had about (3) titles that I would consider to be 'solid' 'semi-hyped' titles available for purchase (DeadRising 3, Forza, Ryse ). The PS4 on the other hand had Killzone Shadowfall, Knack and one of the better games is free (Resogun). Knack in my opinion is the worst of the whole lot of games almost making it irrelevant.

The PS4 has the higher attach ratio if you're looking for signs in areas that matter pointing to future trends (3rd Party Sales). I'll be astonished if the Xbox One holds a higher attach rate in any aspect by the time Summer hits. (Especially since they really don't seem to have nearly as much as the PS4 in the pipeline in the next year).

Lol what? There's tons of games coming to X1 for 2014.

In terms of quality and desire to own,  I'd disagree.  The PS4 boasts a stronger lineup moving forward, but suffered from a weaker launch.  Titanfall hype be damned, there simply isn't much else on the Xbox One plate currently. 


So you're going off of your own opinion? -__- ok



Rpruett on 24 January 2014
jlmurph2 said:
Rpruett said:
jlmurph2 said:
Rpruett said:
It's really simple :

Early adopters are the majority of current console owners. The 'hardcore' fans if you will. Exclusive titles are usually the ones that get the most hype and become the focus of fans and are also the showcase games.

The only tangible difference between PS4 and Xbox One at launch was that the Xbox One had about (3) titles that I would consider to be 'solid' 'semi-hyped' titles available for purchase (DeadRising 3, Forza, Ryse ). The PS4 on the other hand had Killzone Shadowfall, Knack and one of the better games is free (Resogun). Knack in my opinion is the worst of the whole lot of games almost making it irrelevant.

The PS4 has the higher attach ratio if you're looking for signs in areas that matter pointing to future trends (3rd Party Sales). I'll be astonished if the Xbox One holds a higher attach rate in any aspect by the time Summer hits. (Especially since they really don't seem to have nearly as much as the PS4 in the pipeline in the next year).

Lol what? There's tons of games coming to X1 for 2014.

In terms of quality and desire to own,  I'd disagree.  The PS4 boasts a stronger lineup moving forward, but suffered from a weaker launch.  Titanfall hype be damned, there simply isn't much else on the Xbox One plate currently. 


So you're going off of your own opinion? -__- ok

Unless you can see into the future,  please explain how we could predict otherwise?    

It's not just pure opinion though.  It's looking objectively at the actual games being released.   Thus far for 2014 -- Microsoft  big hitter exclusives are looking like (Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Titanfall) ?     I believe that (Infamous : SS,  The Order 1886,  MLB : The Show,  DriveClub,   Most likely a game like Deep Down)  is simply a stronger list of varied exclusives and could probably back it up with numbers if I cared enough.    



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jlmurph2 on 24 January 2014
Rpruett said:
jlmurph2 said:


So you're going off of your own opinion? -__- ok

Unless you can see into the future,  please explain how we could predict otherwise?    

It's not just pure opinion though.  It's looking objectively at the actual games being released.   Thus far for 2014 -- Microsoft  big hitter exclusives are looking like (Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Titanfall) ?     I believe that (Infamous : SS,  The Order 1886,  MLB : The Show,  DriveClub,   Most likely a game like Deep Down)  is simply a stronger list of varied exclusives and could probably back it up with numbers if I cared enough.    


You disappoint me. Titanfall, Project Spark, Quantum Break, Black Tusk's Game, Sunset Overdrive, Fable Legends, and Halo 5 is a very strong list, even with me not naming all of the exclusives just because you'll throw around that whole opinion thing again.



GribbleGrunger on 24 January 2014

I wonder how many PS3 owners who bought the PS4 downloaded the upgrade to COD, Battlefield or ACBF for $10?



 

The PS5 Exists. 


Rpruett on 24 January 2014
jlmurph2 said:
Rpruett said:
jlmurph2 said:


So you're going off of your own opinion? -__- ok

Unless you can see into the future,  please explain how we could predict otherwise?    

It's not just pure opinion though.  It's looking objectively at the actual games being released.   Thus far for 2014 -- Microsoft  big hitter exclusives are looking like (Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Titanfall) ?     I believe that (Infamous : SS,  The Order 1886,  MLB : The Show,  DriveClub,   Most likely a game like Deep Down)  is simply a stronger list of varied exclusives and could probably back it up with numbers if I cared enough.    


You disappoint me. Titanfall, Project Spark, Quantum Break, Black Tusk's Game, Sunset Overdrive, Fable Legends, and Halo 5 is a very strong list, even with me not naming all of the exclusives just because you'll throw around that whole opinion thing again.

The biggest problem with a majority of the Xbox One lineup is many titles are limited or damaged in some way.  The other part of the problem with your list is making a lot of assumptions on 'potential' and 'secret' releases.   We could do the same with the PS4 list (The Last Guardian, Naughty Dog's project, etc).  I stayed away from that because it gets into far too much of a grey area.

Titanfall - Very hyped up, but Multi-player only and built off of an old engine.  Probably will be a lot of fun but it's going to have to be better than every shooter out there to have any lasting effect.

Project Spark -  In terms of a game this will disappoint many in my eyes.  (And I love Garry's Mod and Little Big Planet - created several levels myself).  Simply put,  this will be more a creative tool versus some wonderful exclusive.  I don't see it selling very well either.  Limited market,  limited scope.

Quantum Break - No solid release date marked down --- Unique genre -- Not really sure how the game will be played at this point.  Far too many questions regarding the nature and nuances of this game.

Black Tusk Game - What is known about this game?   It's a complete unknown.  

Fable Legends - End of 2014 at best,  the creator is departed from the series and it's kind of taking a different spin.  Still some serious question marks surrounding this.

Sunset Overdrive -  Insomniac is a solid developer, haven't seen anything.  

Halo 5 -  Even though I don't think we've got a confirmed release date, I'd imagine this drops this year November.  

 

I still believe that Fable Legends will crash and burn, Black Tusk Game is unknown completely, Quantum Break I think crash and burns or doesn't release in 2014 --  as does Project Spark.  It pretty much boils down to (Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Halo 5).  Halo 5 will be huge,  Titanfall will have to prove itself and Sunset Overdrive going by track record will be probably an 'Okay' game.   That's assuming most of these even release in 2014.    



jlmurph2 on 24 January 2014
Rpruett said:
jlmurph2 said:
Rpruett said:
jlmurph2 said:


So you're going off of your own opinion? -__- ok

Unless you can see into the future,  please explain how we could predict otherwise?    

It's not just pure opinion though.  It's looking objectively at the actual games being released.   Thus far for 2014 -- Microsoft  big hitter exclusives are looking like (Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Titanfall) ?     I believe that (Infamous : SS,  The Order 1886,  MLB : The Show,  DriveClub,   Most likely a game like Deep Down)  is simply a stronger list of varied exclusives and could probably back it up with numbers if I cared enough.    


You disappoint me. Titanfall, Project Spark, Quantum Break, Black Tusk's Game, Sunset Overdrive, Fable Legends, and Halo 5 is a very strong list, even with me not naming all of the exclusives just because you'll throw around that whole opinion thing again.

The biggest problem with a majority of the Xbox One lineup is many titles are limited or damaged in some way.  The other part of the problem with your list is making a lot of assumptions on 'potential' and 'secret' releases.   We could do the same with the PS4 list (The Last Guardian, Naughty Dog's project, etc).  I stayed away from that because it gets into far too much of a grey area.

Titanfall - Very hyped up, but Multi-player only and built off of an old engine.  Probably will be a lot of fun but it's going to have to be better than every shooter out there to have any lasting effect.

Project Spark -  In terms of a game this will disappoint many in my eyes.  (And I love Garry's Mod and Little Big Planet - created several levels myself).  Simply put,  this will be more a creative tool versus some wonderful exclusive.  I don't see it selling very well either.  Limited market,  limited scope.

Quantum Break - No solid release date marked down --- Unique genre -- Not really sure how the game will be played at this point.  Far too many questions regarding the nature and nuances of this game.

Black Tusk Game - What is known about this game?   It's a complete unknown.  

Fable Legends - End of 2014 at best,  the creator is departed from the series and it's kind of taking a different spin.  Still some serious question marks surrounding this.

Sunset Overdrive -  Insomniac is a solid developer, haven't seen anything.  

Halo 5 -  Even though I don't think we've got a confirmed release date, I'd imagine this drops this year November.  

 

I still believe that Fable Legends will crash and burn, Black Tusk Game is unknown completely, Quantum Break I think crash and burns or doesn't release in 2014 --  as does Project Spark.  It pretty much boils down to (Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, Halo 5).  Halo 5 will be huge,  Titanfall will have to prove itself and Sunset Overdrive going by track record will be probably an 'Okay' game.   That's assuming most of these even release in 2014.    

All have been confirmed for "First Year" by Microsoft. There is no grey area. Project Spark's Beta is going great and people have been creating fantastic games, Quantum Break is 2014, Third person time controlling shooter. Black Tusks Game is a stealth shooter that was teased at E3 for 2014. Fable Legends is a fresh start from the abomination that is Fable 3. Sunset Overdrive has had Phil Spencer and others play behind closed doors, 2014 release. And yes, Halo 5 is November going by 343's track record.



Nsanity on 24 January 2014
Rpruett said:
jlmurph2 said:
Rpruett said:
jlmurph2 said:
Rpruett said:
It's really simple :

Early adopters are the majority of current console owners. The 'hardcore' fans if you will. Exclusive titles are usually the ones that get the most hype and become the focus of fans and are also the showcase games.

The only tangible difference between PS4 and Xbox One at launch was that the Xbox One had about (3) titles that I would consider to be 'solid' 'semi-hyped' titles available for purchase (DeadRising 3, Forza, Ryse ). The PS4 on the other hand had Killzone Shadowfall, Knack and one of the better games is free (Resogun). Knack in my opinion is the worst of the whole lot of games almost making it irrelevant.

The PS4 has the higher attach ratio if you're looking for signs in areas that matter pointing to future trends (3rd Party Sales). I'll be astonished if the Xbox One holds a higher attach rate in any aspect by the time Summer hits. (Especially since they really don't seem to have nearly as much as the PS4 in the pipeline in the next year).

Lol what? There's tons of games coming to X1 for 2014.

In terms of quality and desire to own,  I'd disagree.  The PS4 boasts a stronger lineup moving forward, but suffered from a weaker launch.  Titanfall hype be damned, there simply isn't much else on the Xbox One plate currently. 


So you're going off of your own opinion? -__- ok

Unless you can see into the future,  please explain how we could predict otherwise?    

It's not just pure opinion though.  It's looking objectively at the actual games being released.   Thus far for 2014 -- Microsoft  big hitter exclusives are looking like (Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Titanfall) ?     I believe that (Infamous : SS,  The Order 1886,  MLB : The Show,  DriveClub,   Most likely a game like Deep Down)  is simply a stronger list of varied exclusives and could probably back it up with numbers if I cared enough.    

Apparently, you can.