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padib said:
The solution to their problems is not to side with gamers, but to side with their better selves, the Nintendo that made the Wii big.


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fps_d0minat0r said:
Mr Khan said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Its so funny how Sony and Microsoft s "unsustainable business models" have given them a future and how Nintendo's suddenly looking for an escape route. Life.

Because Nintendo abandoned what made the Wii successful, and the Sony/MS model is still unsustainable.

Or that the market that made the wii successful abandoned nintendo?

Again, i highly doubt this, especially on the Wii side which promoted local multiplayer and more physically interactive games. Phones aren't taking that away (unlike, say, from handhelds), and Kinect was not nearly so popular as to explain total flight. Reasoning would need to be provided to explain why a vast, diverse group of customers suddenly gained a hive mind.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Mr Khan said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Its so funny how Sony and Microsoft s "unsustainable business models" have given them a future and how Nintendo's suddenly looking for an escape route. Life.

Because Nintendo abandoned what made the Wii successful, and the Sony/MS model is still unsustainable.

two record breaking consoles are unsustainable?? LMAO please



DucksUnlimited said:
Shadow1980 said:
DucksUnlimited said:
The Gamecube was a "powerful hardware console at an attractive price."

The right moves for Sony =/= the right moves for Nintendo.


The problem with that example is that A) Nintendo had weak third-party support and this was before third-party multiplat titles were the norm, B) the PS2 was already at a very attractive price itself, having been reduced to a mere $200 in May 2002, so most consumers spend $50 more on a system that had a ton more games, and C) the PS2 also had a massive lead over the GC, and it had already passed sold more by the end of 2002 than the GC did its whole life, not to mention the GC was having to compete with the Xbox for what little remaining market share there was. Third-party support is crucial, and while the Wii did show that Nintendo can have a best-selling system without strong third-party support, I believe it's the exception to the rule. That system got lucky by having a considerably lower price point than the competition ($250 vs. $400 for the 360 and $500-600 for the PS3) and good marketing that really sold gamers on new ways to play games. The NES and SNES weren't particulary unique or innovative, but they did have strong third-party support which helped propel them to victory in their respective generations. When they first starting having problem courting third parties by sticking with cartridges with the N64, that was also when they started losing to Sony. Nintendo cannot subsist solely on their own first-party output, and the "Wii model" of "less powerful than the competition but less expensive and more innovative" is too risky. They went to the well again with the Wii U and lightning failed to strike twice. They can't afford to do that again. The only way they can get third parties back and making the big AAA games for their systems is if their next system is on par with the other ninth-gen systems, not something only barely more powerful than the PS4 and XBO.

I think a large portion of the third party issue is due to demographics though. Hence why third party games were more prevelant and generally sold better on the Xbox than the Cube, despite similar power/ install bases.

this, i dont know why people swear GC didnt have at least decent 3rd party support. It did. but as you said they still sold less than even xbox version, so their is def. a demo issue



padib said:
The solution to their problems is not to side with gamers, but to side with their better selves, the Nintendo that made the Wii big.


How could they possibly follow up the Wii? VR? The Wii had the kind of hype the PS4 has now. It had an amazing reveal, everyone knew it, everyone wanted it, it was genuinely refreshing. It went viral, as of late Nintendo seems way too passive to achieve any of this again.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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ninetailschris said:
Conina said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
DucksUnlimited said:
The Gamecube was a "powerful hardware console at an attractive price."

The right moves for Sony =/= the right moves for Nintendo.

Exactly. Hardcore gamers abandoned Nintendo years ago.

Nintendo needs to go for another thing like the Wii. I was surprised they thought the Wii U controller would be as popular as the Wiimote.

And Casual gamers abandoned the Wii for tablets, smartphones and Kinect.

So they would really find a unique thing with a great appeal, that can't be copied in a heartbeat on other platforms.

Actually they didn't. Maybe you don't look at the charts when it comes to casual games. just dance 4 sold best on wii.


wow a game series that was EXCLUSIVE to Wii sold the best on Wii. What a victory, NVM the fact that the series has been in decline the last two years.



Shadow1980 said:
DucksUnlimited said:

I think a large portion of the third party issue is due to demographics though. Hence why third party games were more prevelant and generally sold better on the Xbox than the Cube, despite similar power/ install bases.


I think format issues were perhaps a more likely reason. Just like how third parties first started leaving Nintendo due to the latter's insistence on sticking with carts in the fifth generation, Nintendo's proprietary miniDVD-based format, which could hold only a third as much data as a single-layer DVD, didn't win them back anybody else. If Nintendo had switched to CDs with the N64 and used ordinary DVDs for the GC, both systems likely would have been able to compete favorably with Sony as they would have never lost so much third-party support.

Imagine if the Nintendo 64 had Final Fantasy VII as planned. Good lord.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

oniyide said:


wow a game series that was EXCLUSIVE to Wii sold the best on Wii. What a victory, NVM the fact that the series has been in decline the last two years.

The series was not exclusive to Wii.  Only the first 2 were Wii exclusive.  They've been mutliplatform since then.



The rEVOLution is not being televised

SubiyaCryolite said:
padib said:
The solution to their problems is not to side with gamers, but to side with their better selves, the Nintendo that made the Wii big.


How could they possibly follow up the Wii? VR? The Wii had the kind of hype the PS4 has now. It had an amazing reveal, everyone knew it, everyone wanted it, it was genuinely refreshing. It went viral, as of late Nintendo seems way too passive to achieve any of this again.

i would say the WIi was even bigger back then.

I dont agree with this badass WIi image that people have put in their minds. Lets be real, what Ninty did wasnt that risky, they didnt think the WIi would do what it did. Which is why they went cheap as possible in every aspect of the system including the actual controls. So if it had failed they would have lost practically nothing. Originally they were just going to throw an add on controller to GC.



Viper1 said:
oniyide said:


wow a game series that was EXCLUSIVE to Wii sold the best on Wii. What a victory, NVM the fact that the series has been in decline the last two years.

The series was not exclusive to Wii.  Only the first 2 were Wii exclusive.  They've been mutliplatform since then.


hence the word "was" past tense.