JakDaSnack said:
Well, actually it was one month:P But either way, you clearly misunderstand my points so instead of clarifying...again, I'll just leave it be:P |
"Thirdly, I say that Sony is likely to go bankrupt because of this article" to which i proved the context of that statistic wrong. I can't imagine how you could perceive any kind of misunderstanding from that, but you haven't shown the best of knowledge in much at all thus far so I imagine it's to be expected :p
DucksUnlimited said:
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snyps said:
So i have no counterargument? After all the arguments you ignored so you could focus on just these 3, you are defacto declaring you have no counter argument for the others. Namely, Is there nothing to celebrate here? Can you not concede a single victory to Nintendo? |
Focusing on it? I brought it up ONE more time just to point out how ridiculous this thread is. That was it. And I never said the 3DS's success wasn't a significant achievement. The degree of hyperbole coming from you is insane. I said that the 3DS, in its peak year, outselling a 7 year old console which is in steady decline and has an extremely succesful succesor out, by a few million, isn't something to brag about or celebrate as far as I'm concerned.
And those extra earnings are solely dependant on the fact that Nintendo had two systems in the wild vs only one from Sony and MS. Take away handhelds to even things out between the three and things would look completely different. Not to mention the fact that they've had far more systems out in general, and that the market before Sony and MS joined has far less competition and much lower production costs, making profits more easily attainable for Nintendo than they were for Sony or MS when they joined the market. Again, it all comes down to context, which is something you're either willfully ignoring or blissfully ignorant of.
You didn't even attempt to provide a cogent argument for the other points after I refuted them initially, so I didn't waste any further time on them. If you really feel a more thorough rebuke of these is necessary, I can be more specific.
Nintendo has plenty of accomplishments under its belt and has done a lot of great things for gaming. But looking at their current situation as if in a vaccuum and making things out to be more positive and meaningful than they really are is what I've been calling into question in my posts. Again, if looking at things in an incomplete fashion as you are makes you happy, nobody is stopping you. But spreading incomplete and out of context information in a thread as you are can be nothing but harmful.
| DucksUnlimited said: Focusing on it? I brought it up ONE more time just to point out how ridiculous this thread is. That was it. And I never said the 3DS's success wasn't a significant achievement. The degree of hyperbole coming from you is insane. I said that the 3DS, in its peak year, outselling a 7 year old console which is in steady decline and has an extremely succesful succesor out, by a few million, isn't something to brag about or celebrate as far as I'm concerned. And those extra earnings are solely dependant on the fact that Nintendo had two systems in the wild vs only one from Sony and MS. Take away handhelds to even things out between the three and things would look completely different. Not to mention the fact that they've had far more systems out in general, and that the market before Sony and MS joined has far less competition and much lower production costs, making profits more easily attainable for Nintendo than they were for Sony or MS when they joined the market. Again, it all comes down to context, which is something you're either willfully ignoring or blissfully ignorant of. You didn't even attempt to provide a cogent argument for the other points after I refuted them initially, so I didn't waste any further time on them. If you really feel a more thorough rebuke of these is necessary, I can be more specific. Nintendo has plenty of accomplishments under its belt and has done a lot of great things for gaming. But looking at their current situation as if in a vaccuum and making things out to be more positive and meaningful than they really are is what I've been calling into question in my posts. Again, if looking at things in an incomplete fashion as you are makes you happy, nobody is stopping you. But spreading incomplete and out of context information in a thread as you are can be nothing but harmful. |
What does Nintendo have to do for it to be okay that i can look at them post about them in a positive light?
Having a game at no.1 (this week) nope doesn't count
having a hardware at no.1 (this week) nope doesn't count either
Having the most consoles sold (8th gen) getting a head start doesn't count, nope
Having the most handhelds sold (8th gen) not amazing.. too bad.. nope, doesn't count
Having the best rated games (8th gen) don't count.. competition wasn't ready yet
Having the best line-up next year (subjective) how can this be celebrated? it's subjective!
Having the best record of profit (every gen) can't count handhelds as profit, nope
Having the most money in the bank (from game dev) money made the smart easy way doesn't count
Nintendo being the industry leader (in a sense) being the first, the best, smartest, richest, basically no.1 at everything, and the one everyone copies does not make you the leader because... um... none of those things count.
| DucksUnlimited said: I said that the PSVITA, in its peak year, outselling a 7 year old console which is in steady decline and has an extremely succesful succesor out, by a few million, isn't something to brag about or celebrate as far as I'm concerned. |
You wouldn't let ppl celebrate if Vita had done it? You say it's not amazing, I say you're playing it down like it's not a significant achievement, and I'm the one using Hyperbole to insane levels?
| JoeTheBro said: For the few things in your op that are correct, they apply to the 3DS. Fact of the matter is we as a community are much more focused on home consoles and especially next gen. For the few of us that do care about handhelds, well look at Nintendo's new forecast. They dropped 3DS sales by about 5 million for the year. That's not good at all. 3DS relative to some of the systems out is doing great, but on its own it's not doing amazing. |
Its because that 3DS forcast was way too optmistic in the first place, it was never going to sell that many in one year. Companies do this all the time they over predict sales forcasts and have to revise them down. People are reading way too much into that part of the report, its Nintendo's arrogance for thinking it would sell 20 million units in this fiscal year. It a red herring and the 3DS sales during the hoiliday prove that.
| snyps said: Today is ridiculous on vgc. Every post in hot topics is a venomous Nintendo thread. That's an everyday thing but goddamn today is ridiculous. Why don't we look at the chartz ???? no.1 software this week??Nintendo game no.1 hardware every week??? Nintendo hardware Most 8th gen consoles sold?? Nintendo Most 8th gen handhelds sold?? Nintendo Most profits every generation??? NINTENDO Who has money in the bank??? Nintendo Who has the systems with the best rated games????? Nintendo Who has the best games coming in 2014???? Nintendo Who's on top of the totem pole??? Nintendo
Gawd!! Does anybody know what it's like being a Nintendo fan on vgc?? It's freaking rough. So the Wii U is a little behind the weekly sales of competing hardwares during their holiday launch. So? So Wii U isn't no.1 this holiday. Nintendo is! Just stahp! |
Buuuut it's only handhelds at the moment and of course only home consoles count now that Sony is better! It's also way better to throw out a lot of money and tell people it's "for the players!" from a business perspective. You need to understand that!
To be honest, its not only this way on VGC - everyone everywhere on the internet seems to have the urgent need repeat frequently how bad WiiU is.
And that will NOT help WiiU, in fact i guess this is also one factor influencing the sales.
Why to buy a console, if you everywhere read how bad it is? - of course it is NOT!
I guess 90% of the people would NOT recommend buying WiiU when being asked which console to buy (PS4/Xbone/WiiU).
But secretly they wish they could play Nintendo games on Xbone and PS4.
It is like - "I want to play Mario3DW, Zelda WW, Donkey Kong TF, Mario Kart 8, X, FEvsSMT, Bayo2, Pikmin3, SmashBros but i dont want to buy Nintendo console."
In my opinion thats stupid. These are (no doubt) 8 good games. Why should it not be worth buying a console just for these games?
So as a summary - Nintendo is doomed and everyone loves to tell that all day long.
snyps said:
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LMFAO where did you even get that? How were these numbers even produced? You just searched for this on the net and present it as fact? Please give me the source. You've lost all credibility OP especially when you rely on data such as this.
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Zekkyou said:
"Thirdly, I say that Sony is likely to go bankrupt because of this article" to which i proved the context of that statistic wrong. I can't imagine how you could perceive any kind of misunderstanding from that, but you haven't shown the best of knowledge in much at all thus far so I imagine it's to be expected :p |
Thank you Zekkyou for correcting JakDaSnack. It's annoying how so many people use the '79% going bankrupt' argument when they clearly don't understand how statistics works.
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| snyps said: What does Nintendo have to do for it to be okay that i can look at them post about them in a positive light?
Having a game at no.1 (this week) nope doesn't count (Isn't correct) having a hardware at no.1 (this week) nope doesn't count either (Doesn't have any meaningful competition. Of course it counts, it just isnt particularly impressive. Not to mention the fact that the PS4 is outselling it in every region it's available in currently despite supply constraints.) Having the most consoles sold (8th gen) getting a head start doesn't count, nope (So now you no longer think it's a meaningless point? Make up your mind lol) Having the most handhelds sold (8th gen) not amazing.. too bad.. nope, doesn't count (Same as my second response) Having the best rated games (8th gen) don't count.. competition wasn't ready yet (Agreed. It's a stupid comparison. Glad you could see it my way.) Having the best line-up next year (subjective) how can this be celebrated? it's subjective! (You can be hyped about it. I certainly am. Hell, MK8 will be the reason I pick up my Wii U. Nobody said you couldn't celebrate. People have simply been telling you not to pass this off as fact.) Having the best record of profit (every gen) can't count handhelds as profit, nope (Of course you can. But adding them together with consoles and comparing that combination against just the competitors' consoles isnt a fair comparison. You're pretending it is, which is the issue.) Having the most money in the bank (from game dev) money made the smart easy way doesn't count (Has nothing to do with being smart or easy, it has to do with being in a different situation and having far more products out. Where do you come up with this stuff? Nintendo being the industry leader (in a sense) being the first, the best, smartest, richest, basically no.1 at everything, and the one everyone copies does not make you the leader because... um... none of those things count. (Wow. This statement just shows your inability to think objectively about this topic. This is borderline corporate worship. It just goes to show what a completely wasted effort all my posts so far have been. It's like trying to throw bologna at a tank. Everything I said just bounces off of you and you ignore it because it isn't what you want to hear. Plus I lost bologna, or in this case time, in the process.
You wouldn't let ppl celebrate if Vita had done it? You say it's not amazing, I say you're playing it down like it's not a significant achievement, and I'm the one using Hyperbole to insane levels? (The only thing that would have made that amazing is if it had still done as poorly as it did in its first year. If it had been selling at a terrible rate, and then gone on to sell 3-4 times as much the following year, then yeah that's amazing. But the actual rate of sales, by itself, isn't particularly impressive on its own. Had the vita had a decent first year and then outsold a dying console during its peak, then no, I wouldn't call that a significant achievement.) |
Almost every one of your points above is a strawman of what I actually said. If you could address my actual arguments, you would have. Instead you put words in my mouth and try and attack arguments I didn't make. And even then you failed at that. I'm still not sure if it's an issue with comprehension, or intentional ignorance regarding the points I'm making, but trying to convince you of anything that goes against your ideal reality is a waste of my, and everyone else's time.
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