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Metallicube said:

Why any TRUE gamer would want Nintendo third party is completely beyond me..

I hope this helps you: http://www.geekcomix.com/vgh/fourth/nesbad.shtml

 

Metallicube said:

Sony and MS (and their third party lapdogs) running things by themselves would kill gaming.

Sony has dominated the 5th and 6th generations and I believe gaming is still alive. Don't you?

 

Metallicube said:

Just look at how MS completely sold out gamers with all the DRM shit initially with the Xbone

Have they?...while Microsoft tries to, Nintendo really does it. Because of the region lock, Nintendo can better squeeze each market of the world. And because of that very same policy, some gamers have wasted money on 2 3DS consoles. Now you tell me what is worst.

 

Metallicube said:

Look at how Sony thought everyone would run out and spend $599USD on a freakin Playstation 3..

Still, at 600$, PS3 was the cheapest solution of the market. You can't say that a 60k€ Ferrari is more expensive than a 25k€ Ford. It is actually much cheaper and everybody would understand that although I don't think if that happened Ferrari could ever sell more than Ford. Same thing with a 600€ PS3 and a 250€ Wii.

Sony made some bad decisions with the PS3 and they took responsibility for it. They created an unecessary hugely expensive PS3 and they accepted losing hundreds of dollars per console. Nintendo made many (not some) bad (rather greedy) decisions during decades and they didn't took responsibility for it. Not only they did it at the gamer's expense but also they haven't taken lessons learned from it.

Nintendo going 3rd party won't kill gaming at all. I actually think it would strive like never before. Gaming will only be dead when people with your thoughts dominate the market.



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pezus said:

Just imagine if Nintendo hadn't amassed such a large amount of money in the DSWii days.

Then they be as broke as Sony is now and have an 85 percent chance if going bankrupty in the next two years lol.



 

Zod95 said:

So what is it being good at business? Demanding always the same price for a console that costs less and less to produce as time goes by? Demanding always the same price for a game that has decreasing sales along the time? Blackmailing retailers with artificial game shortages or making them to pay for what is not their fault? Then I guess Nintendo has been brilliant at business and Sony / Microsoft are just too stupid because they keep on caring about gamers and partners and what is fair.

Maybe the DRM policies Microsoft was about to implement was one of the few good business ideas they've ever had. Unfortunately, they got stupid again and decided to profit less at the gamer's expense. Nintendo is the only smart company, still keeping region lock, inflated prices, low budgets for game development and many other business decisions that dignify the only true game company out there producing consoles.

Being good at business means to turn healthy profits while maintaining consumer satisfaction and confirming to the law. What pezus's post asserted is that a company that loses money cares about gamers. Do you agree with pezus?



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Turkish said:

After today's troubling Nintendo news, I decided to take matters in my own hands because Iwata is failing at his job.

This thread will urge you to donate money to Nintendo, this can be either buy buying their consoles, or sending anonymous gifts to Iwata's office in the HQ in Kyoto.

How can you help Nintendo? Discuss


What the holy hell!?

This isn't some person, it is a company in a capatilistic market. If it fails, then it is because of their own idiocy of not knowing what the market wanted. Let them suffer so they either die out and someone else fills their shoes or let them learn and evolve to survive.



nintendo has 10 billion dollars in the bank, losses are not a problem. The only problem is if they can't find profitability ever again.



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TheLegendaryWolf said:
This "help" you speak of will be provided by many when Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros U, Bayonetta 2, X, and more are released.


Sorry but that wouldn't help, you have to buy more consoles and games for each console you bought so now you would be helping them.



RolStoppable said:
Zod95 said:

So what is it being good at business? Demanding always the same price for a console that costs less and less to produce as time goes by? Demanding always the same price for a game that has decreasing sales along the time? Blackmailing retailers with artificial game shortages or making them to pay for what is not their fault? Then I guess Nintendo has been brilliant at business and Sony / Microsoft are just too stupid because they keep on caring about gamers and partners and what is fair.

Maybe the DRM policies Microsoft was about to implement was one of the few good business ideas they've ever had. Unfortunately, they got stupid again and decided to profit less at the gamer's expense. Nintendo is the only smart company, still keeping region lock, inflated prices, low budgets for game development and many other business decisions that dignify the only true game company out there producing consoles.

Being good at business means to turn healthy profits while maintaining consumer satisfaction and confirming to the law. What pezus's post asserted is that a company that loses money cares about gamers. Do you agree with pezus?

No, it wasn't. What pezus asserted was that there is a company that only cares about profit while there are others that care about gamers and history proves that. And I agree with this. Is it then impossible to care about gamers and make profits at the same time? No, and Microsoft proved that during the entire X360 period. But they certainly couldn't profit as much as Nintendo did with NES (with all those atrocities towards devs, retailers and gamers) or Wii (with all those low budget games ever costing 50€ while PC has the same kind of games for free).

I see here in this thread a lot of double standard. When Sony / Microsoft engage into greedy policies (which is rare, by the way) some people call them greedy. When Nintendo does it (which is much more often and intensive) the very same people call them smart and competent at business management.

When Sony / Microsoft fail, those people find it fair and call them incompetent and out of touch with the gaming industry (after all, they are not deticated gaming companies, as some say). When it's Nintendo, the very same people feel sorry for them and want everybody to donate money to them.

Companies are what we (consumers) allow them to be. With all this double standard, it doesn't surprise me that Nintendo is so much more greedy than Sony / Microsoft. That's obviously gamers' fault. What would have happened if the demanding Xbox clients became as "brand-protective" as those Nintendo fans I was talking about? I bet the DRM policies would have been on at this moment as well as other equally (or even more) aggressive measures that Microsoft has never even dare to think about. Nintendo fans with that attitude will only get harmed (by the very company they are trying to defend) and people like me will only avoid giving a dime to Nintendo.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

EricFabian said:
Now I miss toastboy....


3/10

What are you talking about? This is a classic Turkish thread!



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pezus said:

Ironic.

One question: Which company is the only company to have nickled and dimed gamers since the beginning, profiting from them? Which companies have barely even profited despite great sales? There's clearly one company that cares only about profit while the others care about gamers.

If Nintendo gave a shit about gamers they wouldn't have made the WiiU. Look at how they thought everyone would run out and spend $299 on a freakin WiiU

And this can't be called good business because...? The whole assertion that a business making money is bad/hurts the consumer is ridiculous, really. Do you actually believe what you are saying, Pezus?

How is 299$ bad compared to what Microsoft or Sony are charging? Console MSRPs will continue to go up, no matter what, though.



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Zod95 said:

Companies are what we (consumers) allow them to be. With all this double standard, it doesn't surprise me that Nintendo is so much more greedy than Sony / Microsoft. That's obviously gamers' fault. What would have happened if the demanding Xbox clients became as "brand-protective" as those Nintendo fans I was talking about? I bet the DRM policies would have been on at this moment as well as other equally (or even more) aggressive measures that Microsoft has never even dare to think about. Nintendo fans with that attitude will only get harmed (by the very company they are trying to defend) and people like me will only avoid giving a dime to Nintendo.

"So much more greedy than Sony / Microsoft"? Do you have an inside scoop on Nintendo? Last time I checked, all businesses strive to make a profit. In anyway they can. Why? Maybe because that's how they stick around, by making money. 

I would also like to point out that it wasn't just Microsoft fans who were against MS' practices prior to the XBO's release. The larger voice game from Sony fans and Nintendo fans.



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