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NintendoPie said:

How are the bolded assumptions? The only thing I agree with you on is the non-bolded quote from me. That was incorrect and I'll clearly admit to it, you were right.

In the first one you're assuming it was because of many different problems when it may have very well been their attitude. In the 2nd you're assuming all companies think the total profit can't be higher if a product that is already selling well drops the price to sell even more. In the 4th you're assuming laws can't be avoided or even adjusted (when there is too much power/influence). In the 5th you're assuming the gaming community can act as a whole when in fact each consumer only thinks about him/herself.

I'm being as demanding with your sentences as you were with mine. Ultimately, all statments are assumptions and all facts are opinions. We can't be sure about anything, like some philosophers say ("I only know I know nothing").

 

NintendoPie said:

Also, I said "what?" because of how profoundly ridiculous that statement it. The PS3 was clearly sold at a higher price, and I never said the 360 was sold at a higher price. I said it was sold at the same price, for some of the bundles/options.

I start to think that you dare to compare the price of the PS3 in 2006 with the price of Wii U right now, which would be ridiculous and I still want to believe that it's not it and that you have another logic behind that I haven't understood yet.

The only thing I'm sure is that there is no moment in History in which the WiiU was cheaper than the PS3. If you know about any date where you saw in some store a WiiU for a lower price than PS3, please tell me.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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Zod95 said:
RolStoppable said:
Zod95 said:

"Nintendo is greedy because third parties overcharged for their games on the Wii?" - Please tell me where I said such a thing.

1) You said it in the preceding post:

"But they certainly couldn't profit as much as Nintendo did with NES (with all those atrocities towards devs, retailers and gamers) or Wii (with all those low budget games ever costing 50€ while PC has the same kind of games for free)."

If you meant that Nintendo made such games for the Wii, you will have to name them.

As you can see in my whole sentence I didn't talk about 3rd parties, only Nintendo.

You are asking which ones? E-V-E-R-Y-G-A-M-E. You may tell the PC flash games are even more primitive but for me it would be choosing the lesser of two "evils", except that one doesn't have the pretension of costing money. The market has clearly defined the rules: cutting-edge games cost money, arcade/retro games are like youtube videos (they cost some seconds of advertisements). But Nintendo still thinks it can produce arcade offers and charge like they were cutting-edge (even worse than this since they don't drop the price). So you have in one side cutting-edge games for 70€ (less than 20€ if you wait) and arcade/retro games for 0€...and somewhere in the "middle" Nintendo games for 50€.

I didn't read anything of what you wrote after this, because it would be a waste of time. I still hope that you are a joke account, but you probably aren't. You have the ability to string words together to form grammatically correct sentences, but your posts are devoid of rational and logical thinking. It's kinda like reading what an extreme creationist puts out.

I will not devote any more time to your posts and I advise everyone else to do the same.



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RolStoppable said:

I didn't read anything of what you wrote after this, because it would be a waste of time. I still hope that you are a joke account, but you probably aren't. You have the ability to string words together to form grammatically correct sentences, but your posts are devoid of rational and logical thinking. It's kinda like reading what an extreme creationist puts out.

I will not devote any more time to your posts and I advise everyone else to do the same.

My comments are rational and supported by a solid logic. You may disagree with it but if you aren't able to see it (or at least you say you aren't) maybe it's because you consider your perspective to be the only valid one. I feel sorry for people like you that feel superior to others. But I guess I can't do anything about it. I can't force you to respect others.

You think that I'm a joke account, the article that only talks about facts is a parody and anyone who criticizes Nintendo is a hater. Well, good luck in this path you're walking in.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Today I have learned that Nintendo is the greediest company in the videogame industry.

Yes, Microsoft with games like Forza5 that cost their usual 60$, have a 50$ season pass and try to trick you into buying microtransactions on top of that are saints compared to the despicable Nintendo .

Down with Nintendo.

Now, If you´ll excuse me, I have to buy an XBox one, the entirety of the microtransaction loaden firstparty stuff and every single online and season pass for every Sony title.

Sometimes, you gotta do the right thing !

oh, and always online DRM / a check in every 3 minutes (original target) / 24 hours AND region locking your console is significantly better on the moral scale than simply region locking your console because there are so many games out in other regions that I would like to buy for my WiiU



orniletter said:

Today I have learned that Nintendo is the greediest company in the videogame industry.

Yes, Microsoft with games like Forza5 that cost their usual 60$, have a 50$ season pass and try to trick you into buying microtransactions on top of that are saints compared to the despicable Nintendo .

Down with Nintendo.

Now, If you´ll excuse me, I have to buy an XBox one, the entirety of the microtransaction loaden firstparty stuff and every single online and season pass for every Sony title.

Sometimes, you gotta do the right thing !

oh, and always online DRM / a check in every 3 minutes (original target) / 24 hours AND region locking your console is significantly better on the moral scale than simply region locking your console because there are so many games out in other regions that I would like to buy for my WiiU

I wouldn't say Nintendo is the greediest company in this industry. There are others that would even sell their souls for some more money. However, I would say that among the greediest they are the biggest one (the one that sells more, makes more revenues and profits). Therefore, I would say Nintendo is the gaming company that collects more dirty money (although they are not the dirtiest company).

Microsoft, with all the DLCs and micro-transactions that may exist in Forza 5, are still not so aggressive towards gamers. They offer you a next-gen title (Forza 5) for 56€ and you only buy extras if you want. For example, I never bought a DLC in my whole life. They also offer you a 7th gen title (Forza 4) for 22€. On the other hand, Nintendo doesn't offer you any 8th gen game. They decided to build a 7th gen console just a bit more powerful than PS3 and X360 (dispite all the billions they made from you with the Wii). And they offer you a 7th gen title (Mario 3D World) for 51€ and a 6th gen title (Mario Galaxy 2) for 36€.

You're mistaken, XOne is not region locked: http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/16/xbox-one-games-are-not-region-locked-microsoft-clarifies-import-stance/

Regarding the DRM, I think I don't need to add anything on top of what I've said already.

And fyi region locked is not just about games that you won't find in your region, it's also about paying more for what consumers in other regions pay less or having to wait for 1 year for a game that isn't in your country yet. With region lock you depend on the goodwill of the console maker and devs. If you are from a tiny little country they can do to you whatever they want. They can offer you only a list of 10 games for platform that has hundreds of titles launched among the world if they see fit. They can offer you each of those 10 games for 200€ (while they cost 50€ in the other regions) if they want to. Region lock means that you're in their hands and no matter what atrocities they do to you, you may not have the support of millions of fellows if they only do that with your tiny little country. There is a military maxim that says "divide and conquer". I find it sad that Nintendo is at war with gamers.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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pezus said:
Metallicube said:
PSwii60 said:

...been hoping for Nintendo as a third party since sometime during the N64 days. If only it wasn't for the GBA's resilience, and the anomaly that is the Wii.

Why any TRUE gamer would want Nintendo third party is completely beyond me..

You REALLY want the last deticated gaming company to go under, and for the entire games industry to be run by the non-gaming soulless corporate machines known as Sony and MS? Sony and MS (and their third party lapdogs) running things by themselves would kill gaming. MS and Sony care nothing about gamers, they only care about getting a foothold in the games industry to expand their influence and increase revenues. Just look at how MS completely sold out gamers with all the DRM shit initially with the Xbone, before a huge backlash from the gamer community scared them into changing. Look at how Sony thought everyone would run out and spend $599USD on a freakin Playstation 3..

Ironic.

One question: Which company is the only company to have nickled and dimed gamers since the beginning, profiting from them? Which companies have barely even profited despite great sales? There's clearly one company that cares only about profit while the others care about gamers.

If Nintendo gave a shit about gamers they wouldn't have made the WiiU. Look at how they thought everyone would run out and spend $299 on a freakin WiiU

Please tell me that this is a joke post... right???



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M