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ZaneWane on 17 January 2014
Legend11 said:

Well lets see...

-PS4 is $100 cheaper and the hardware is being sold at a loss by Sony
-Sony is giving away free PS4 games to anyone that plays online
-Sony is charging less for their online
-PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One
-Xbox One has had some of the worst PR of any console in recent memory
-Retailers are still having to put up signs to clear up misinformation about Xbox One
-Sony has been an Internet darling while Xbox One has seen constant bashing

So yeah it would be pretty pathetic if the PS4 didn't sell more in January.

I always laugh when people talk about a resurgent Sony and then give the PS4 as a shining example. Well it's easy to be resurgent when your competitors shoot themselves in their foot and you're willing to take a loss on hardware.  It's not like Apple or Samsung are going to shoot themselves in the foot so it's highly unlikely that Sony's (TVs/Tablets/Smartphones) will see the same kind of success against their competitors .


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DakonBlackblade on 17 January 2014
LivingMetal said:
Legend11 said:

Well lets see...

-PS4 is $100 cheaper and the hardware is being sold at a loss by Sony
-Sony is giving away free PS4 games to anyone that plays online
-Sony is charging less for their online
-PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One
-Xbox One has had some of the worst PR of any console in recent memory
-Retailers are still having to put up signs to clear up misinformation about Xbox One
-Sony has been an Internet darling while Xbox One has seen constant bashing

So yeah it would be pretty pathetic if the PS4 didn't sell more in January.

I always laugh when people talk about a resurgent Sony and then give the PS4 as a shining example. Well it's easy to be resurgent when your competitors shoot themselves in their foot and you're willing to take a loss on hardware.  It's not like Apple or Samsung are going to shoot themselves in the foot so it's highly unlikely that Sony's (TVs/Tablets/Smartphones) will see the same kind of success against their competitors .


Thankfully in the real world, global sales are what's really important and the PS4 has been that shining example in doing what right after Sony shot themselves in the foot with the PS3.

PS4 is not beeing sold at a loss, the cost to manufacture it is 381$, they removed the PSeye from the package to cut the 100$ of the price and make it cheaper than the ONE, Sony said theyd never sell a console at a loss again.

 

Dont make stuf up. Also all that everything you listed mean is that the PS4 is a better deal than the One for consumers and Sony isnt making a resurgence cause it never went away, PS3 didnt sell like PS2 but it was pretty sucessfull (sold more than the 360), it sucked financially tough cause of how expensive the Cell processor was. 



DakonBlackblade on 17 January 2014
ethomaz said:
DakonBlackblade said:
I dont think so, imo the gap in favor of the One on the USa will remain the same until the PS4 launches on japan, then the One will have an even bigger gap on the USA and eventualy demand for both consoles will shrink and we will finaly start seeing the PS4 outselling the One on American territory.

The gap is in favor of the PS4 for while... so do you think Xbone will catch PS4 in US this month?

I meant the gap in numbers of units sold each week, I know the PS4 is ahead overall on the USA due to insane first week sales, I expect the one to at least tie overall with the PS4 on USA after the Japan launch, but this situation wont last long cause as soon as PS4 demand finally stop demanding half the production to go to Europe the number of PS4s sold on the USA will skyrocket for a few weeks, then stabilise again at somethign more or less the same as the One sells.

 

Thats my opinion tough I can be completly wrong hehe. 



thismeintiel on 17 January 2014

As long as Sony keeps up with stock, it should be quite easy. It seems the demand for the One started to die off after Xmas was over, as it became readily available at retailers. The PS4 still has quite a bit of pent up demand, as stock usually sells out within 24 hrs of becoming available.

It's also #2 in Amazon's Bestsellers of 2014, while the One is #12. And as you mentioned, Sony shipped more PS4's at the beginning of January, so hopefully it was a large shipment.



 

MARCUSDJACKSON on 17 January 2014

If supply exceeds demand for both consoles then yes. With both fully stocked PS4 will outsell XB1.



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GribbleGrunger on 17 January 2014

It's interesting to note that the PS4 sold more than the X1 in the third week of Dec. For me, that suggests that Sony put more units on shelves to grab the Christmas shoppers and in turn that suggests more people will buy the PS4 if it's in stock.



 

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drkohler on 17 January 2014
GribbleGrunger said:

It's interesting to note that the PS4 sold more than the X1 in the third week of Dec. For me, that suggests that Sony put more units on shelves to grab the Christmas shoppers and in turn that suggests more people will buy the PS4 if it's in stock.

It could also mean that Sony flew in January stock that is missing now. At this time, Sony has to:

a) Feed America

b) Feed Europe

c) Feed Australasia

d) Bunker stock for Japan launch

That is a lot of battlefields to cover. Something has to give and I'm pretty sure Sony is not favouring the Americas. Probably they are trying to still be ahead by February ltd numbers-wise. On the other side, we have Microsoft who _has_ to start thinking about how long they can keep up with Sony's  max. manufacturing pace (insert 100 anectotal "XBox Ones are starting to pile up in my shop").

I think end of January numbers will show who was "bluffing" and who is not...



RenCutypoison on 17 January 2014
DakonBlackblade said:
LivingMetal said:
Legend11 said:

Well lets see...

-PS4 is $100 cheaper and the hardware is being sold at a loss by Sony
-Sony is giving away free PS4 games to anyone that plays online
-Sony is charging less for their online
-PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One
-Xbox One has had some of the worst PR of any console in recent memory
-Retailers are still having to put up signs to clear up misinformation about Xbox One
-Sony has been an Internet darling while Xbox One has seen constant bashing

So yeah it would be pretty pathetic if the PS4 didn't sell more in January.

I always laugh when people talk about a resurgent Sony and then give the PS4 as a shining example. Well it's easy to be resurgent when your competitors shoot themselves in their foot and you're willing to take a loss on hardware.  It's not like Apple or Samsung are going to shoot themselves in the foot so it's highly unlikely that Sony's (TVs/Tablets/Smartphones) will see the same kind of success against their competitors .


Thankfully in the real world, global sales are what's really important and the PS4 has been that shining example in doing what right after Sony shot themselves in the foot with the PS3.

PS4 is not beeing sold at a loss, the cost to manufacture it is 381$, they removed the PSeye from the package to cut the 100$ of the price and make it cheaper than the ONE, Sony said theyd never sell a console at a loss again.

 

Dont make stuf up. Also all that everything you listed mean is that the PS4 is a better deal than the One for consumers and Sony isnt making a resurgence cause it never went away, PS3 didnt sell like PS2 but it was pretty sucessfull (sold more than the 360), it sucked financially tough cause of how expensive the Cell processor was. 

381 says insider, ignoring distribution and storage cost. Would be 500-600 $, so 100-200 $ loss if these numbers were true.



GribbleGrunger on 17 January 2014
drkohler said:
GribbleGrunger said:

It's interesting to note that the PS4 sold more than the X1 in the third week of Dec. For me, that suggests that Sony put more units on shelves to grab the Christmas shoppers and in turn that suggests more people will buy the PS4 if it's in stock.

It could also mean that Sony flew in January stock that is missing now. At this time, Sony has to:

a) Feed America

b) Feed Europe

c) Feed Australasia

d) Bunker stock for Japan launch

That is a lot of battlefields to cover. Something has to give and I'm pretty sure Sony is not favouring the Americas. Probably they are trying to still be ahead by February ltd numbers-wise. On the other side, we have Microsoft who _has_ to start thinking about how long they can keep up with Sony's  max. manufacturing pace (insert 100 anectotal "XBox Ones are starting to pile up in my shop").

I think end of January numbers will show who was "bluffing" and who is not...

Yes, I can agree with that. It's going to be an interesting January that's for sure. Can MS afford to stuff the channels yet again? I highly doubt it when there are already systems sitting on shelves.



 

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DakonBlackblade on 17 January 2014
RenCutypoison said:
DakonBlackblade said:
LivingMetal said:
Legend11 said:

Well lets see...

-PS4 is $100 cheaper and the hardware is being sold at a loss by Sony
-Sony is giving away free PS4 games to anyone that plays online
-Sony is charging less for their online
-PS4 is more powerful than Xbox One
-Xbox One has had some of the worst PR of any console in recent memory
-Retailers are still having to put up signs to clear up misinformation about Xbox One
-Sony has been an Internet darling while Xbox One has seen constant bashing

So yeah it would be pretty pathetic if the PS4 didn't sell more in January.

I always laugh when people talk about a resurgent Sony and then give the PS4 as a shining example. Well it's easy to be resurgent when your competitors shoot themselves in their foot and you're willing to take a loss on hardware.  It's not like Apple or Samsung are going to shoot themselves in the foot so it's highly unlikely that Sony's (TVs/Tablets/Smartphones) will see the same kind of success against their competitors .


Thankfully in the real world, global sales are what's really important and the PS4 has been that shining example in doing what right after Sony shot themselves in the foot with the PS3.

PS4 is not beeing sold at a loss, the cost to manufacture it is 381$, they removed the PSeye from the package to cut the 100$ of the price and make it cheaper than the ONE, Sony said theyd never sell a console at a loss again.

 

Dont make stuf up. Also all that everything you listed mean is that the PS4 is a better deal than the One for consumers and Sony isnt making a resurgence cause it never went away, PS3 didnt sell like PS2 but it was pretty sucessfull (sold more than the 360), it sucked financially tough cause of how expensive the Cell processor was. 

381 says insider, ignoring distribution and storage cost. Would be 500-600 $, so 100-200 $ loss if these numbers were true.

Ye theres no way in hell Sony is selling this thing at a 200$ loss considering the financial situation the company is in, and if thats the price of the PS4 whats the Ones price 800$ ?