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Who the hell gets banned for calling an obvious troll-job a troll? I call Rol a troll on almost a weekly basis for his most obvious attempts. Granted his attempts are pretty damn good and fool most. He really should get a title for such trollery. Something like Master Trollstoppable or King of the Trolls-people.

Sorry, OT, yeah I completely agree. Sometimes things get warned or banned for the silliest things that really are not a big issue. Solely because someone is a whiner or a mod decides its close enough to the rule to warrant such a reaction.

Ohhhh I have a better idea. Make all warnings/bans that need to be moderated by our one and only "troll whisperer" and I don't mean the guy with that username, but Rol because clearly is the best of the best. Guess that would be confusing due to actual trollwhisperer... maybe just give Rol his own mod banner thingy called "troll mod" or something similar.

I nominate Rol to be the "Troll Mod"! Who 2nd's the nomination?



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Good Rol... you need to be a mod.

BTW I don't like people to get banned because they called me fanboy because it is only a word that express what I'm.



RolStoppable said:
vivster said:
I think it's a slippery slope. I know a few people on here I could call idiots because I have definitive proof that they indeed are idiots by the ridiculous posts they are making. Should we legalize that term as well?

I think a strict law is better than a lax vague law because users will be tempted to contend the law. People will often not know why a certain user wasn't banned for a certain post and it will paint a picture of weak enforcement which is just a breeding ground for more trolling and user testing out their limits.

Would be an option to legalize the term "idiot" as well. But since people tend to get more offended by that word, we should leave it at "troll" at first.

I don't think there would be anything complicated about my suggestion.

Q: "Why wasn't user X moderated for calling user Y a "troll"?"
A: "Because user Y was moderated for trolling in the same thread."

And you really think people who don't care how an argument started and are likely to be future offenders care enough to PM a mod?

And about X is more offending than Y. That's a subjective standard you've set yourself which doesn't help your argument. For example my offending standards are that anything said on the internet directly aimed at a person or group cannot be offending because there are always 2 people in the offending game and if you let yourself be offended it's your own problem.

Sadly not everyone on this world is that open so we need strict rules to make sure everyone can grow up in a safe environment were any offending words do not exist.

The only thing this proposal will accomplish is making the work of the mods more time consuming and complicating the rules while the actual rulings in those cases will not affect the tone or the user satisfaction in a significant enough measure to warrant the change. I'm all for fairness and common sense but sadly you can't have those things in a world with so many dickheads abusing rules that are not clear cut enough.



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RolStoppable said:
vivster said:

And you really think people who don't care how an argument started and are likely to be future offenders care enough to PM a mod?

And about X is more offending than Y. That's a subjective standard you've set yourself which doesn't help your argument. For example my offending standards are that anything said on the internet directly aimed at a person or group cannot be offending because there are always 2 people in the offending game and if you let yourself be offended it's your own problem.

Sadly not everyone on this world is that open so we need strict rules to make sure everyone can grow up in a safe environment were any offending words do not exist.

The only thing this proposal will accomplish is making the work of the mods more time consuming and complicating the rules while the actual rulings in those cases will not affect the tone or the user satisfaction in a significant enough measure to warrant the change. I'm all for fairness and common sense but sadly you can't have those things in a world with so many dickheads abusing rules that are not clear cut enough.

Your opinion sucks.

While his opinion does suck, the bolded is true. It takes more time to review the thread to see why someone got called a troll than it does to just ban/warn the name caller. 

I think the OP should be reworded to just remove the rule in the first place. But I don't take offense to silly things like this petty name calling. Now if someone called me a Jew or a clown, then I'd be reporting it all day long.



I agree I don't think it should be ban worthy to call someone who is clearly trolling a troll.



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RolStoppable said:

Actually, I don't think it would be more time consuming as checking the last few posts before a reported flaming occured should be a standard procedure. Moderating without taking any context into account sounds like bad form. And you know just as everyone else that this isn't a super busy forum with hundreds of posts to sift through.

Very true sire, very true.



The moderation on this site is about the worst I have ever seen and I have 20 years browsing internet forums. Before the mods get personally offended with my comment I think they should question themselves if they are actually promoting a fun/engaging environment for all gamers (regardless of what brand they support) on this website. In my opinion they are not.



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carlos710 said:

The moderation on this site is about the worst I have ever seen and I have 20 years browsing internet forums. Before the mods get personally offended with my comment I think they should question themselves if they are actually promoting a fun/engaging environment for all gamers (regardless of what brand they support) on this website. In my opinion they are not.

Seeing the variety of nonsensical, flamebating and trolling threads on here makes me question your argument. I think the mods on here are quite lenient compared to a lot of other sites. Though I agree it would be a lot more fun (especially for the spectators) to let us call each other idiots as we please.

That said, as of my understanding the mods only react to reports of users so it's rather the pussy userbase that has to report everything that "offends" them making this forum less fun than the mods.



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RolStoppable said:
Actually, I don't think it would be more time consuming as checking the last few posts before a reported flaming occured should be a standard procedure. Moderating without taking any context into account sounds like bad form. And you know just as everyone else that this isn't a super busy forum with hundreds of posts to sift through.

This is definitely true. But even if it were significantly more time consuming, that wouldn't mean that it shouldn't be standard procedure. Kind of like how proving beyond reasonable doubt in law is a time-consuming process, but is still the standard rule - if the law were applied the way that moderation is applied here, then you could be charged with starting a stampede from a cinema by shouting "fire", when there actually was a fire, for instance.

The bigger problem, though, is that moderators typically completely ignore you, or brush you off, if you point out that their moderation was lopsided. For instance, I received a 1 day ban a while ago for calling a user a fanboy (and I didn't do it in an accusatory manner, either - I probably should have said "fan", given the context in which I used it)... but the thing is, the person I used that word for actually called not only me, but a large number of other people on this site, a fanboy (indeed, "the most hardcore of fanboys") - he just didn't do it by name, instead smearing people in the thread indiscriminately by description. I pointed this out, and nothing whatsoever was done - I didn't even get acknowledgement for my complaint.

This isn't even a case of needing to read the history of the thread. The sweeping "Fanboy" comment was made in the post I had quoted, so if the moderator had even read through the post he was moderating, he'd have seen the offending, sweeping declaration. I don't think it's too much to ask that the moderator at least read the post they're moderating.



I agree but why all these half measures? Why not actually solve the problem.

Permaban Lawlight and make Rol head mod, there problem solved.