Each time a console fails, it's probably the same pattern that happens again. But in the end, what really matters is, if Wii U is in trouble, will Nintendo be able to boost it up like they did with 3DS? Remember that 3DS really was a hated console, called dead at birth, lacking quality games. Then it became one of the most valued console, and the champion of sales for the last 2 years.

The real thing we want to see is Nintendo not dropping the ball. We just want them to stay confident about their product and still pump up games like 3D World, Pikmin or Wind Waker. We do worry about those situations, because we saw Sega quit the home console market and change over the years. Sony players don't wanna see their beloved company drop the Vita support because they want it to be healthy and be the home of dozens of excellent games. Much of the hate headed toward Wii U is also fear in disguise, because we hate seeing it struggle like it does. We want it to succeed because it deserves so, because the system really is great, user-friendly, and the games are over-the-top. We want Nintendo to keep working that way and encounter success.

Also, most of Wii U haters never actually tried it, or never really got much into it to see how cool it is.

In the meantime, let's remember that forever and after, these are gaming consoles. What matters the most about them is how they could become the shelf of some of the most genre-defining gaming experiences.

you whole heartedly believe that good sales equal good games?

seriously?

I believe on the whole that good games on a console equals good console sales. But... i dont believe that on the whole poor hardware with 1st party mostly software is enough...

Not to mention MostToy.

Console sales and software sales have many factors. Quality is one of them. In some cases it's the most important, in other cases commercial or word of mouth, in other cases it's quantity. 

Yes I agree, but I think people think just because Nintendo have some high rated games, that this is *more* important than these other factors. 

Sorry trying to have about 7 different conversations on different things, so slightly all over the place.

What I am trying to say is that some people believe that just because some Nintendo games have come out with high scores, this basically is the argument for poor sales... not sure if that makes sense..

you believe that Xbone and PS4 are selling so well based on good software then right? 

Lol, know the feeling :D

Although I think I lost that last sentence... You're saying people say that the reason the Wii U is selling bad is because the games have high quality?

I believe they are selling well because of the type of software thats on them yes. Thats not necessarily the same thing. Also peoples perceptions of *Good* software is not the same as reviews/metacritic. It's type/genre of software thats important.

This!!!

Controlling teenager drones to achieve Corporate goals is quite easy these days, paying sites to start the trend & having people on sites & forums to blow on these "opinions". One has to be really gullible to believe that Corporate Companies like Sony or MS (like in MS the company that helps the N S A to spy on everybody, even foreign governements & leaders), are going to let billion $ businesses go one way or another not meddling. To XBox One owners, wave hello to Kinect, MS is watching you!