Damm, i wait for kowenicki so long, where is he ? 

Most of these arguments are pointless to be honest, might as well wait for the official figures..

*BUT*...

I don't see how in one statement we can say that US is starting to go with XBOXOne because of 14k difference and then a 50K suggestion that PS4 wins December would be "Nothing to shout home about".

We all know there is very little stock of PS4 on the shelves, while evidence suggests there is enough XboxOnes on shelves, even if PS4 is 50k below XBoxOne in December or 14k in January (according to VGC), once stock is available then we will know for sure who is in a better position. No offence to VGC but for the years I have been here there are number changes every year, so one proclaiming a winner might want to watch out, because it can swing easily the other way once real data comes in.

At the moment evidence on the ground is *suggesting* that PS4 is going to sell better for the short term *if* there is stock available... but until NPD tells us, there is no point arguing about it.

Every time PS4 is on stock, it is sold out. How many times X1 was sold out ?

Yes and it was silly for him to state it as fact, because its not fact. Fact would be something that is true and can be proven to be.

He probably shouldn't have done that because it actually damages the good stuff he did show... which the evidence he suggested does suggest that PS4 has more demand, and if the numbers are close with no stock on the shelves, would suggest that the PS4 will start to sell more. Of course it's not that simple because games come out and numbers can change.

I believe Sony is supplying USA with about the same numbers as MS.. so i think NPD will be close, but for me if its close its still a success for Sony, because they don't have stock on shelves, so there is more capacity to sell more.

But it has been suggested that Sony cannot supply as many as MS.. so for me NPD is the proof of which way it has been going. SO yes PS4 is selling out, but unless they can ship at least the same (which I think they have)... then it wont be a benefit to them.

Damm that is the question.

Maybe .. one box is selling better than another ? 

Nobody says Sony can not supply as many as MS.  Sure, Sony can not supply enough to USA, but that is a total different topic. To be honest, last NPD prove it false ( Sony sold more than MS in US )

I think that anecdotal evidence, sold out info + Ethomaz's info about supplies is enough.

+ Sony shipping news batch of console to US every week * even more than one time per week *

+ Walmart claiming the biggest shipment they received of PS4 for US * even bigger than launch shipment *

Every evidence I get = Sony sold more. Unless somebody prove it false, I m sure that Sony sold more.

Reliable objective  information, that may or may not confirm your claim, that is not available at the time you make a claim is not evidence. So stop saying the evidence for your claim is NPD 16 January. The certainty with which you are making your claim needs to be backed up with actual reliable, objective information that is available now. You clearly don't have that information so it makes your claim spurious and mischevious.

The interesting thing is, pretty much everyone who's been criticising your approach here is right regardless of whether NPD is within a margin for error of VGC or if NPD is vastly different from VGC in favour of PS4. But if NPD backs up VGC data then you will be so monumentally wrong that I think nothing less than an apology thread will be called for, in which you post a video of you actually eating a crow, which will have to be feathers on otherwise it could just be a chicken. And you will have to say your VGC name in the video otherwise it could just be some random youtube video of a guy eating a crow. So are you prepared to do this if NPD and VGC are close?

Note, no one has said NPD won't show PS4>Xb one, and no one has said NPD won't show PS4>>Xb one to the extent that VGC is pretty much forced to make an adjustment. All anyone has asked for and you've failed to provide is evidence that is available now. So there is no justification in demanding a series of crow eating videos from those who are simply making a reasonable demand. As the saying goes, extra-ordinary claims requires extra-ordinary evidence.

ethomaz said:

What support PS4 over Xbone in December in US? A lot of facts already know.

+ MS holding words to talk about December.
+ MS stating they won't give any more word about sales before the Financial Releases.
+ Amazong showing PS4 above Xbone in every chart.
+ Gamestop showing PS4 above Xbone.
+ Retailers showing big numbers of Xbones not sold (some rare cases of Day One Edition too)
+ Sony shipping news batch of console to US every week * even more than one time per week *
+ Walmart claiming the biggest shipment they received of PS4 for US * even bigger than launch shipment *

 So there is no justification in demanding a series of crow eating videos from those who are simply making a reasonable demand. As the saying goes, extra-ordinary claims requires extra-ordinary evidence.

The fact that Sony can not supply enough =/= Sony can not supply as many as MS.

Last NPD proves that Sony supplies/sold more than MS.

Where is the Ethomaz's maigc post about all of u go eating crow if Sony sold more ? Nowhere ?

Justice ? Thats a pretty word.