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FlamingWeazel on 09 January 2014
Machiavellian said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Machiavellian said:
FlamingWeazel said:
toastboy44562 said:

Micro-soft


Nope, MS is stuck with an outdated concept and required a cable box..  Sony beaing MS at their own game.

I believe a lot of people forget that on the 360 it support Verizon FIOS, TWC, XFinity Time Warner and I believe a few others.  In other words you can download those apps and your 360 is now your cable box.  MS is doing the same thing with the X1 as I believe right now Verizon FIOS is supported.  

From what I can see, MS and Sony are going in opposite direction.  MS is looking to make the X1 the cable box for all cable providers while Sony is looking to be a cable type provider.  Sony service will be competiting with cable and content providers like Amazon, Hulu and Netflix.  MS is looking to partner with those companies and make the X1 a streaming service to those providers.

The HDMI in part is so that the X1 can support any cable provider weather or not they have a app.  The X1 TV Guide if done properly may allow MS to be able to show content from all apps in one central location thus making it very simple for users to just pick what they want to watch and the X1 load up the correct app and the content.

Personally I believe neither service actually competes with one another as they are very different in scope.   I do believe that Sony will have a harder time getting their IPTV going but since they are a content provider it will be interesting to see how they create this service, what will be available and the price.

Sony already owns a lot of TV and movie rights....that alone puts them in a better position IMO. Breaking bad FTW.

MS solution is not one, it is just a way to view your already existing cable through another  device, pretty pointless imo. Standard cable is on the decline.

You do know that MS provide On Demand through cable apps on their service right.  In other words the list I provided are apps you can download on your 360 today to turn your 360 into a cable box without the pass through.  Verizon is already on the X1 and the apps that are current supported on the 360 will arive on the X1 within the next 3 to 6 months.  For the cable companies that have an app, you will not need to use your cable box and those apps already do live TV and On Demand.  I believe people are missing this point.

Still way different then sony, a content provider themself having a cloud service to do this. I think Sony will make some deatls to get more content, yes there are challenges, but MS way is not a threat to anything it is no diff then just watching your cable box.  Really puzzled why MS went that route.



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d21lewis on 09 January 2014

Sony fans will say Sony.

Microsoft fans will say Microsoft.


Me? I have DirecTV and Netflix on every TV in the house so I'm gonna say Nintendo TVii. I'm a Nintendo fan, by the way.



vivster on 09 January 2014

It depends on who has the most original content. Sony seems to be gearing in the same direction as MS by setting the PSN up to be a streaming network for their content. Depending on how both will act it could end with Sony on top because it is not just a hardware manufacturer but also content creator.

Overall I see MS having the momentum but if Sony can pull of some miracle marketing shit it might turn the tables.



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Machiavellian on 09 January 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
Machiavellian said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Machiavellian said:
FlamingWeazel said:
toastboy44562 said:

Micro-soft


Nope, MS is stuck with an outdated concept and required a cable box..  Sony beaing MS at their own game.

I believe a lot of people forget that on the 360 it support Verizon FIOS, TWC, XFinity Time Warner and I believe a few others.  In other words you can download those apps and your 360 is now your cable box.  MS is doing the same thing with the X1 as I believe right now Verizon FIOS is supported.  

From what I can see, MS and Sony are going in opposite direction.  MS is looking to make the X1 the cable box for all cable providers while Sony is looking to be a cable type provider.  Sony service will be competiting with cable and content providers like Amazon, Hulu and Netflix.  MS is looking to partner with those companies and make the X1 a streaming service to those providers.

The HDMI in part is so that the X1 can support any cable provider weather or not they have a app.  The X1 TV Guide if done properly may allow MS to be able to show content from all apps in one central location thus making it very simple for users to just pick what they want to watch and the X1 load up the correct app and the content.

Personally I believe neither service actually competes with one another as they are very different in scope.   I do believe that Sony will have a harder time getting their IPTV going but since they are a content provider it will be interesting to see how they create this service, what will be available and the price.

Sony already owns a lot of TV and movie rights....that alone puts them in a better position IMO. Breaking bad FTW.

MS solution is not one, it is just a way to view your already existing cable through another  device, pretty pointless imo. Standard cable is on the decline.

You do know that MS provide On Demand through cable apps on their service right.  In other words the list I provided are apps you can download on your 360 today to turn your 360 into a cable box without the pass through.  Verizon is already on the X1 and the apps that are current supported on the 360 will arive on the X1 within the next 3 to 6 months.  For the cable companies that have an app, you will not need to use your cable box and those apps already do live TV and On Demand.  I believe people are missing this point.

Still way different then sony, a content provider themself having a cloud service to do this. I think Sony will make some deatls to get more content, yes there are challenges, but MS way is not a threat to anything it is no diff then just watching your cable box.  Really puzzled why MS went that route.

You are right, they are totally different.  MS isn't trying to be a content provider because it cost a lot to go down that route.  People forget that MS sold their IPTV service mediaroom.  They already explored this terrority and decided to leave it.  The reason MS went this route because its safe.  To compete on price against the cable companies will be expensive.  Its not like cable companies are not bringing out their own IPTV service.  Instead of competitng with the cable companies, MS want to provide a box that allow millions of people who already have a service to use the X1 as their cable box.  If the cable service does not have an app, you have the HDMI in, if the cable provider has an app, you use the app.

Just because Sony has content does not make their service a lock because it will compete with cable companies and their On Demand services as well as other IPTV type services like Hulu, Amazon, Netflix.  The key will be what can Sony provide that will separate their service from the others.  Price could be a big key so I am interested to see how this service turns out.



FlamingWeazel on 09 January 2014
Machiavellian said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Machiavellian said:
FlamingWeazel said:
Machiavellian said:
FlamingWeazel said:
toastboy44562 said:

Micro-soft


Nope, MS is stuck with an outdated concept and required a cable box..  Sony beaing MS at their own game.

I believe a lot of people forget that on the 360 it support Verizon FIOS, TWC, XFinity Time Warner and I believe a few others.  In other words you can download those apps and your 360 is now your cable box.  MS is doing the same thing with the X1 as I believe right now Verizon FIOS is supported.  

From what I can see, MS and Sony are going in opposite direction.  MS is looking to make the X1 the cable box for all cable providers while Sony is looking to be a cable type provider.  Sony service will be competiting with cable and content providers like Amazon, Hulu and Netflix.  MS is looking to partner with those companies and make the X1 a streaming service to those providers.

The HDMI in part is so that the X1 can support any cable provider weather or not they have a app.  The X1 TV Guide if done properly may allow MS to be able to show content from all apps in one central location thus making it very simple for users to just pick what they want to watch and the X1 load up the correct app and the content.

Personally I believe neither service actually competes with one another as they are very different in scope.   I do believe that Sony will have a harder time getting their IPTV going but since they are a content provider it will be interesting to see how they create this service, what will be available and the price.

Sony already owns a lot of TV and movie rights....that alone puts them in a better position IMO. Breaking bad FTW.

MS solution is not one, it is just a way to view your already existing cable through another  device, pretty pointless imo. Standard cable is on the decline.

You do know that MS provide On Demand through cable apps on their service right.  In other words the list I provided are apps you can download on your 360 today to turn your 360 into a cable box without the pass through.  Verizon is already on the X1 and the apps that are current supported on the 360 will arive on the X1 within the next 3 to 6 months.  For the cable companies that have an app, you will not need to use your cable box and those apps already do live TV and On Demand.  I believe people are missing this point.

Still way different then sony, a content provider themself having a cloud service to do this. I think Sony will make some deatls to get more content, yes there are challenges, but MS way is not a threat to anything it is no diff then just watching your cable box.  Really puzzled why MS went that route.

You are right, they are totally different.  MS isn't trying to be a content provider because it cost a lot to go down that route.  People forget that MS sold their IPTV service mediaroom.  They already explored this terrority and decided to leave it.  The reason MS went this route because its safe.  To compete on price against the cable companies will be expensive.  Its not like cable companies are not bringing out their own IPTV service.  Instead of competitng with the cable companies, MS want to provide a box that allow millions of people who already have a service to use the X1 as their cable box.  If the cable service does not have an app, you have the HDMI in, if the cable provider has an app, you use the app.

Just because Sony has content does not make their service a lock because it will compete with cable companies and their On Demand services as well as other IPTV type services like Hulu, Amazon, Netflix.  The key will be what can Sony provide that will separate their service from the others.  Price could be a big key so I am interested to see how this service turns out.

I agree, never said it was a lock, there are challenges there but I don't think Ms way is a solution at all................



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dandd on 09 January 2014

Every company is coming out with their own streaming options. TWC, Comcast, DirecTV, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO etc all have streaming services. I really don't see how Sony is going to come out with a much better option that will pull a lot of subscribers from these other services. Sony has tried in the past with different streaming services and none have made a real impact.

With Sony's past record, I can see this as just being another hulu/netflix service with nothing to really differentiate itself.



FlamingWeazel on 09 January 2014
dandd said:
Every company is coming out with their own streaming options. TWC, Comcast, DirecTV, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO etc all have streaming services. I really don't see how Sony is going to come out with a much better option that will pull a lot of subscribers from these other services. Sony has tried in the past with different streaming services and none have made a real impact.

With Sony's past record, I can see this as just being another hulu/netflix service with nothing to really differentiate itself.


And ms has nothing at all lol, just using your existing cable, really pointless. Unlike those Sony has a lot of its own content right off the bat.



kupomogli on 09 January 2014

The Xbox One is nothing more than an accessory that requires a cable box to be connected to it and a $60 a year XBL Gold to use the features. Don't know how the PS4 TV service is going to turn out, but if it's an actual service then it already wins.

My TV can already do everything the Xbox One can except me saying what channel I want to go to and recording with DVR. I can save myself $60 a year and do without both of those features. Or, I can hook my cable cord to my PC capture card, watch TV on there, and record it for free.

PC wins so far.



Vasto on 09 January 2014

Microsoft hands down, I don't even have cable but I get channels from the Verizon app because I have Verizon Fios Internet. People talk about paying for Xbox Live but I have no problem paying $40 a year that I pay for Live which saves me $50 a month that I was paying for cable.



Somini on 09 January 2014

Sony hands down. Microsoft has nothing interesting on the horizon so far.