just goes to show, even though vgchartz numbers look decently accurate, its only because of adjustments, and outside sales figures.

i wish we could know what vgchartz' numbers would look like in a vacuum, if they didnt have other tracking and sales numbers to go by and adjust their own.

i'd imagine it would be pretty pathetic

I honestly don't give a shit about what Microsoft do, as long as the figures here reflect retail sales, which certainly  got a lot less scrutiny at the time than the new Sony members in 2007 demanding VGC use Sony's shipped number. Seriously, its almost like you and this guy I replied to think I'm going to get all riled up if you say something about Microsoft. Let me tell you two things:

1. The initial post of mine was in regards to the continuation of shipping vs sold, which WAS a problem here in 2007, and the question was in regards to if this is still a factor. What does "Microsft shipped lots too at the time", have to do with it? Are you saying two wrongs make a right?

2.Cut out the "team mentality" bullshit. It doesn't work on me. Not only is it sickening to read, it's a plague on the forums themselves and makes you look like you cannot build a logical argument, rather you'd attempt the Pathos argument of reasoning.

If the "Playstation family" point had any relevance to the main point that I was originally making, then I'd do a search and show you that it has indeed happened in earlier times, when Sony needed PS2 figures to make their PS3 figures not seem like a total disaster, but I'm not going to bother with it. Why? Because this has already deviated way too far from the original question, thanks to members of the Sony Inquisition....

Someone needs to move on from 2007...seriously. Not even the same management at sony now. No one cares.

For an organization that's not a multinational corporation like NPD or Chart Track nor charges for their data, I'd say they do a damn good job given their resources.

sure they do a good job updating their numbers, making adjustments to them, after the fact (after other services provide the real numbers). 

like I said i dont think vgchartz would be even in the ballpark of the correct numbers, let alone 10% if they existing in a vacuum and didnt have other services to base their numbers on. i doubt they'd be within 25% in fact.

Ohh I didn't notice that. I don't go on this site as often as I used to.