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Should the two countries become one?

Yes - Canada should join the United States 52 17.39%
 
Yes - through an EU-styled agreement 42 14.05%
 
Yes - through some other means 3 1.00%
 
No - though I support fur... 109 36.45%
 
No - the two countries ar... 68 22.74%
 
Other/Not Sure 17 5.69%
 
Total:291

not even sure how to respond in a manner conducive to displaying how abject this concept is.



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I'm Canadian and that would be awful. Americans don't realize how bad their country is because it's all they know. In Canada we have public health care so everyone can see a doctor if sick, we have gun control so we have 1/8 the number of murders per person as the US and we have 1/4 the amount of national debt per citizen as Americans.

Join a country that has 8X(!) the murder rate, is too stupid or selfish to care for their sick and is on the path to bankruptcy? NO THANKS! That would be a disaster.

That's before even getting into Canada's vast land and natural resource reserves, superior political system and better hockey team. The only way Canada joins the US is if they invade us, like they have many other countries. We have no interest.



To add to your argument. i think the US is about 16 trillion in debt while Canada is about 600 billion. mind you, the US is a bigger country....



I wouldn't be part of the black hole that America is becoming with horrid laws and blatant fear mongering media. No chance in hell.



Kasz216 said:
Insekticida said:
Actually, why doesn't the US take care of it's colonies first and stops treating them as second class citizens?


... because the US doesn't really have any colonies.

Unless you mean like... Guam and Puerto Rico.

Who actually, becoming states first requires them to vote for it.

 

Which, they won't because quite honestly, the state they're in right now is way better.

 

Tons of federal money and almost all the benefits of being a US citizen while paying zero federal taxes.

 

The only major downside is they can't vote in a lot of federal elections... and considering the assholes running....

I'd give up my vote for a tax free year in a heart beat.


So to you, 3.7 million american citizens that live in Puerto Rico are not important?

We have voted to end our current "commonwealth" status and move towards statehood, what has the US done? Nothing.

We don't get tons and tons of federal money because we don't get most benefits a normal citizen does.

We can't vote in a single federal election. Have in mind we currently have more population(which means more political power) than 21 states and that's because we've lost a lot of population and states have increased a lot, in the past we used to have more population than 28 or so states.



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Insekticida said:
Kasz216 said:
Insekticida said:
Actually, why doesn't the US take care of it's colonies first and stops treating them as second class citizens?


... because the US doesn't really have any colonies.

Unless you mean like... Guam and Puerto Rico.

Who actually, becoming states first requires them to vote for it.

 

Which, they won't because quite honestly, the state they're in right now is way better.

 

Tons of federal money and almost all the benefits of being a US citizen while paying zero federal taxes.

 

The only major downside is they can't vote in a lot of federal elections... and considering the assholes running....

I'd give up my vote for a tax free year in a heart beat.


So to you, 3.7 million american citizens that live in Puerto Rico are not important?

We have voted to end our current "commonwealth" status and move towards statehood, what has the US done? Nothing.

We don't get tons and tons of federal money because we don't get most benefits a normal citizen does.

We can't vote in a single federal election. Have in mind we currently have more population(which means more political power) than 21 states and that's because we've lost a lot of population and states have increased a lot, in the past we used to have more population than 28 or so states.

Not really you didn't, no.

The 2012 vote was a joke created only by a two tier vote.

The majority of people who cast ballots didn't vote for Statehood.... a number of them who voted for the first resolution, left the second blank. 

Likely thinking that their no vote on the first ballot counted as no vote against any of the other options.

If you look at the results

http://resultados.puertoricodecide.com/2012/elecciones/Plebiscito.aspx

 

That becomes extremely clear.   52.4% for not being a commonwealth.   4.1% for Independence.   You don't end up with a majority that way.

Throw Commonwealth and Statehood on a ballot by itself... and Commonwealth wins.

Which really, is what these votes should be for something as huge as this.   Rather then one poltiical party subverting the will of the majority by being tricky with the questions.

 

Truth is, if state proceedings went in off of that vote.   The majority of people in puerto rico would be unhappy.

 

So if anything, i'd say I care more for the 2 Million people who don't want to be a state, then the 1.7 Million who do.

Personally i'd prefer Puerto Rico be a state... but I respect the actual will of the people.

 

 

and quite honestly, Congress has said for decades it want's a super majority vote.  Which makes sense.   I mean think about it.  44.6% of a giantly tiered vote puts Puerto Rico as a state.

You can't vote out of being a state after that.  So they're stuck.  Even though very eaisly next year suddenly more people could be against statehood then for it.

60-75%+ is what should be required for statehood.

 

Shit otherwise Congress would of already acted.  US Republicans support Puerto Rican statehood and they have a majority in the house.



HesAPooka said:
No, I don't want American corporations completely ruining what little good we have left.

The Canadian mining corporations are just as evil though.

Ah right, but not in Canada I guess.



Kasz216 said:
HesAPooka said:
No, I don't want American corporations completely ruining what little good we have left.

Eh... if you feel like that... Obama is already dead set on making that happen anyway.

 

What with coporations empowered to challenge laws infront of an international tribunal.


Another 10-15 years and Canada will have lost it's identity. Harper is making damn sure of that.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

sales2099 said:

We have similar culture, that is about it. No point in joining borders.

Besides, I rather do like my free health care and my future wife having paid maternity leave. I do envy their rock bottom house prices and cheap prices for clothing/fast food.


Agreed, as someone from the Vancouver area this really is something that I wish we had here. American prices even in bigger cities just seem more reasonable. Our prices are just insane given our population and the amount of land we have.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

NolSinkler said:
TheLegendaryWolf said:
Countries don't unite for reasons such as that.

I'm afraid then I'm not sure why countries do unite.  Would you mind enlightening us?


War.

 

 

Btw i smell a plot to maintain white majority in this land -_-