Well id say they helped, if those games didnt come out then Wii U holiday would have probably been at Vita levels or worse. And I believe they would have helped more with advertising and spaced out the releases. With the line up I posted and advertising, I think 7-8m would have been possible at this point instead of 5-5.5m like it is now but sadly we will never know how well it would have done in 2013 if Nintendo didnt severely fuck things up.

i disagree. They werent going to get 7-8mil because the truth is people dont want the WIi U in those numbers. Your list isnt to off from what actually happened, so im confused why it woudl have made that much of a difference.

Wii Fit U, wasnt or will never be as close to popular as the original, even then the price would have kept people away as they werent going to pay for that.

Rayman I dont know why people swear this was going to do anything. Rayman hasnt been big since PS1, the preorders before prove this. Sure it getting delayed didnt help. but it was nt going to do that much

Lego City, probably bigger than Rayman and that didnt do much. And the 3ds version ate into sales.

Pikmin 3 again another series that people hype up, this doesnt put up huge numbers or move consoles. whether it would have released earlier is irrelevant.

W101 would have done better sure. still wasnt going ot move consoles

Game & Wario no one cared

pretty much besides 3d world these games are not console movers, hell there not even games that will move that much copies on their own at least not intially.

Actually my list is quite different from what actually happened. 10 out of 12 of those games released in August or later meaning there were only 2 exlusives released in the first 7 months of the year with literally zero advertising in that time and any press it got was negative. By the time Wii U started getting a consistant flow of exclusives and advertising it had lost any and all hype/momentum and had 2 competitors with huge hype right around the corner. When something like that happens a turnaround isnt going to happen overnight and it will take time to repair its image. Im not saying that line up is amazing or that it would cause sales to be amazing but it would have helped.

Wii Fit U doesnt need to come anywhere close to its predeccessors to be a moderate hit, even if it sells 5% of the original that still would make it a million seller. If it could release in early January right after launch and with a decent amount of advertising then its possible that it could have delayed Wii U sales from dropping off a cliff for a few weeks.

Ur right Rayman isnt a huge franchise but it has sold about 250k on Wii U with a 7 month delay and as a multiplat. If it was an exclusive released in the launch window and with advertising then its possible it could be 500k+ and given a 1-2 week boost. Lego did cause a boost at launch in the west and Pikmin did in Japan. Game & Wario sold next to nothing but if they had been advertised maybe they too could have caused a decent boost 1-2 week boost well.

That brings us to the summer months and Luigi+Wii Party+Zelda is a solid lineup up of exclusives and did actually cause hardware spikes. Then u have Mario+holidays which again did cause Wii U sales to increase and likely would have been higher if Wii U didnt have a horrible previous 9 months.

Again im not saying sales would be through the roof by any means but a consistant schedule of exclusives and advertising would have helped to prevent the huge dropoff in sales it had and the baseline would have been higher, maybe 50k instead of the 20-30k we saw. Even if Wii U sold 7m by now thats still under 5m for the year and is only on par with Gamecube in the same timeframe.

Oh and one other thing I forgot to mention in the last post is I believe Wii U should have been $299 bundled with NSMBU from the start.

I actually though that point had passed, but then it showed stronger holiday sales than I had expected so I think next holiday will be the final test.

If it's $199, has both Mario Kart and Smash Bros, and still isn't selling, then it's doomed. Until then there is hope.

it is on its way to outsell the gamecube so i wouldnt consider it a complete disaster. id say 40 million lifetime sales

Actually no its not, by this point in time Gamecube had sold 7m while Wii U is at 5.5m. It is of course possible that it eventually passes Gamecube but as of now its doing worse.

Pretty much if and when MK and SSB4 fail to boost the systems sales. If it continues the bad trend it followed this past year after those games drop, then it's pretty much game over. Nintendo will be wasting their time at that point as the system would be lucky to come close to GC numbers.

The point of no return was when Iwata signed off on the Wii U.

... Of course I'm kidding. Obviously... (Real Answer: When MK8 fails in the holiday season/in it's release)

you missed his point. he didnt say more games he said "better" games. I think Wii is a perfect example of that. Now personally i say the 75% shovelware library compared to all the not too shabby 1st party and of course 3rd party games that devs actually cared about on the HD twins would prove his point. BUT 'better' is subjective. You'll def. get more, that much is true.